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I agree with those who say Mars Attacks could be called "bad", and not so-bad-that-it's-good. However, I find it just watchable and unique enough to be marginally entertaining.

It's main crime is that it fails its source material's potential: http://www.tkinter.org/Stuff/MarsAttacksCards/index.htm

Burton is a visual artist and does well with the look of his films. But both the story-sense and character development have noticeable weakness in Mars Attacks. In fact the characters are downright annoying in their exaggerated tongue-in-cheek overacting.

It would have been so much smarter and better to play this movie straight, like Star Wars, and let its inherent campiness come through on its own.


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Had no idea Burton directed this. How can this be? There's nothing gothic here!

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Tim doesn't tend to do gothic much anyway.

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this movie came out in 1996. Since then Tim Burton has done Sweeney Todd, Dark Shadows and Frankenweenie. So how is he not doing gothic movies anymore?

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He also had done, POTA, Big Fish, CATCF, AIW and Big eyes. which are NOT gothic.

Plus i said it doesn't do it much, (didn't say at all)

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You must be kidding.

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I think this movie works EXACTLY because of its cheese factor. But I also love the Gremlins franchise and I feel this harkened back to that a little. You also have to know that "Independence Day" came out the same year. This was a GREAT anithesis to that, which ID4 WAS played more straight and generic. I'll take "Mars" over "ID4" any day.

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Yes, but....both of those films suck, anyway.

Had Burton made it a much straighter tale of the classic sci-fi cards it was much too loosely based on, I'd have likely enjoyed this much more.

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No one would have taken those aliens seriously. Burton probably could have saved money on rights and made an original film if he just changed their look, but who could pass up those lovably goody designs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3qOu29jlBk

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Interesting observation there, zilla7777.

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"It would have been so much smarter and better to play this movie straight, like Star Wars, and let its inherent campiness come through on its own."

What? What in the world are you talking about? You don't like the movie- that's all this post should say. You want the movie to be a completely different movie than the one that it is? You want a sci-fi comedy to be serious? That's like saying, "I liked Godfather, but it would have been better if it was more like Inception." You are talking about two different movies. Do you understand genres? You, brother, are absolutely confused.

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I think you missed something: "...and let its inherent campiness come through on its own."

And "play it straight" does not mean make it a serious drama, because the events are patently ridiculous and are ultimately inherently funny, so you don't need a bunch of non-comic actors goofing on their lines and "doing comedy". Some people understand that.

This might clarify a little: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_comedy

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the problem with this movie is that it was too dumb and silly to be taken seriously (at all)

and all the characters were completely unlikable.
You just don't care for any single one of them. It is pretty hard to do a movie like this (even a comedy) when there is absolutely no one to root for.

This might have been a spoof and a comedy, but it was still a movie with a plot. It was still a movie that had a story to tell,

and it fails. The movie didn't have to see so dumb and silly. We get it, It was a spoof, it was supposed to be a joke,
but this was not a movie like Scary movie or Airplane for example where the story doesn't matter, what matters is the jokes alone.

No, this was not that type of movie. It wanted to be, but it wasn't.

we were presented with a plot and with some characters, Tim Burton presented us with a story about Alien Invasion,
and then the movie completely loses itself. the movie is dumb, the characters are stupid, the aliens are even dumb ( I seriously cannot understand why they sound like ducks)

Even Ed Wood made his silly movies more serious than this was.

If Burton wanted to make a spoof like the movie Airplane or something like that, then don't add an actual story, Don't waste time trying to establish characters.
Just make the aliens land, start destroying everything and have the humans fight back.
But Burton was confused I Think, he wanted to make a silly spoof but with an actual story and plot to tell.

that's why It failed, and I agree with the person that made this thread.

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How do you do, lourstik78.

So, would you be more receptive to a more faithful version, then?

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hello mister 😀

as for the movie, something like beetlejouice would have been a lot nicer, a darker comedy instead of a silly comedy

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Hello to you too.

Actually, a movie that would be more faithful to the original Mars Attacks cards would not be a comedy at all. If anything, it would be a graphically violent s.f. thriller (which I suppose would end up with an R rating) with the martians depicted as menacing rather than silly.

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I love those old cards. I have a set in a folder somewhere around here. Thanks for the link, though, as it was fun to read through them again.

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Those cards are pretty graphic for the early sixties. I've got some of the Dinosaur Attacks ones from the eighties, one show a herbivore eating a baby out of a stroller; the epitome of bad taste.

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The problem with the film is that it is trying to be one of those flying saucer films of the 50's, but it is one of those that are NOT remembered as cult classics. And the joka about everyone getting fried by the Martians and becoming X-rays of themselves is overdone.

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The two biggest problems from the get-go are that there's no point in the Martian invasion and their demise is too stupid. Basically why it's the only Tim Burton film I dislike.

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Lol it's a spoof about invading aliens. You want motivation? And, the alien weakness is one of the great gimmicks in alien invasion movie history. No viruses, no water, but YODELING!

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It would have been so much smarter and better to play this movie straight, like Star Wars, and let its inherent campiness come through on its own. - virgiltx

Then wouldn't it be called Independence Day?
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darryl-tahirali wins the thread.

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"Then wouldn't it be called Independence Day?"

No, I think you're completely missing the point. Even though Independence Day had a similar theme of hostile alien invasion, Mars Attacks was based on a set of 1962 Topps collectors' cards which were all entitled "Mars Attacks". Tim Burtons movie directly used the look and event depictions of those cards in his movie, a supposed cinematic version of that "Mars Attacks" card series.

A properly envisaged Mars Attacks would have looked nothing like Independence Day, and would have had vastly different events and scenes, as depicted in the 1962 Topps cards.

And, of course, it would need to be called "Mars Attacks", like the cards.
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No, I think you're completely missing the point. Even though Independence Day had a similar theme of hostile alien invasion, Mars Attacks was based on a set of 1962 Topps collectors' cards which were all entitled "Mars Attacks". Tim Burtons movie directly used the look and event depictions of those cards in his movie, a supposed cinematic version of that "Mars Attacks" card series. - virgiltx

No, I'm not missing the point, virgiltx. I understand the difference between Independence Day and Mars Attacks!, and I understand what Tim Burton's inspiration for his film was. I was being sarcastic.

And by the way, Mars Attacks! was NOT a "supposed cinematic version"--it WAS a "cinematic version" but you just happen not to like like, saying that it "goes wrong."

So, what is your "properly envisaged" version of Mars Attacks!? You say that "it would have been so much smarter and better to play this movie straight, like Star Wars, and let its inherent campiness come through on its own."

Perhaps. But you would be looking for another director--not Tim Burton--to make that film. Say someone like Roland Emmerich, who directed Independence Day. Emmerich's films are bombastic, caricatured, cliched, and overly reliant on special effects. They appear to be serious, but they can be ridiculed pretty easily. Emmerich is really the poor man's Michael Bay.

Independence Day was that movie that played it straight but had "inherent campiness," and you seemed to have missed my point. Because--let's face it--by 1996, when both movies came out, we had had all kinds of aliens-invade-Earth movies. The only directions left to go are sheer overkill, which is what Emmerich aimed for, or broad parody, which is what Burton aimed for.

I see what you're saying about playing the original Mars Attacks concept as straight, so that the cast seems not to get the joke but the audience does. But given the inherent cartoonishness of the source material, how can you possibly think that anyone over the age of five would think that this was serious? And although you posted elsewhere a link to the Wiki page for black comedy, did you even read the article? Black comedy begins with a plausible premise--how plausible are the Martians depicted in Topps trading cards that were inspired by EC Comics and targeted toward kids?

No, Tim Burton did a fine job with Mars Attacks!. I think he and the cast did a terrific job playing it straight-faced, because--again, let's face it--the sci-fi tropes are already so well-known to audiences that there isn't much you can do to make them fresh, even in a "serious" film like Independence Day.

So, no, I didn't miss the point.

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Maybe you are missing the point, d-t.

I have to agree with virgiltx on this.
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Agreed.
Plus it would be silly to play the film straight when the cards themsleves were deliberately camp and silly.

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Wrong, troll.

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You like digging your own grave,don't you?

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I recently made a thread about this subject.

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I see your point and then some, virgiltx.


I have for some time.

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