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Fargo vs. The English Patient


Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm trying to make a firm but respectful point regarding my feelings on this subject to both sides, so if you have anything immature or stupid to say, leave it off here. I invite your comments whether you agree or disagree with the Academy's decision to award the Oscar for Best Picture of 1996 to The English Patient over Fargo. In my opinion, this is one of the most colossal errors in the history of the Oscars.

First, let me emphasize to both sides that while I understand how completely different these pictures are, I truly loved both of them. I'm 20 years old, but I'm studying film and have seen nearly 500 films in the past 2 years, and believe me, I have no hesitation in saying there's plenty to enjoy in both films. They are terrific. The characters are well-defined, realistic and have chemistry when appropriate. The stories are complicated, but not to the point where they annoy you, but keep you interested throughout. The camerawork is outstanding. The English Patient really gives you a feel of what it's like to spend a long time in the desert, and Fargo has some of the most frightening cinematography I've seen in a film; making common images appear in a terrifying form (like the statue at the city entrance, for example).

Onto the acting: Juliette Binoche was wonderful as Hana and I was thrilled to see how she won Best Supporting Actress of 1996. I think it is so dreadfully underestimated at how difficult it is for someone to act well in a second language. Binoche is French, and can play American and British as well as any woman I've seen. Her romance with the bomb disposal man was also surprisingly touching sense it didn't have much screen time. Next, there's Ralph Fiennes, who's one of the most underrated actors around. He was great in Schindler's List and Quiz Show before this and in this film, he delivered again. His character was very complex in existing between both timelines of the story; not an easy task. I also found his romance with Kristin Scott Thomas to be moving, but not nearly as much as most fans of this film did. It was acted well, and I thought they had chemistry, but not quite as much as Binoche's character. The one thing I didn't enjoy character-wise was Willem Dafoe's character. I didn't entirely understand exactly what he knew about Fiennes' character until after I saw the film. Dafoe also gives a good performance, but the writing was a bit cluttered around how he connected with the rest of the story

Moving onto Fargo, there is not a flawed performance at all. William H Macy and Steve Buscemi were absolutely electric, because they brought life into two of the most uninteresting professions imaginable for movie characters: criminals and carsalesmen. Criminals have become completely almost completely stale after decades of retarded Steven Segal movies and other stupid derivatives of them. Not to mention carsalesmen rarely get movies made about them. In spite of this, both actors are mesmerizing in every shot onscreen, making seemingly dull moments really vibrate for the audience! Two of my favorite moments are when Buscemi tries to start a conversation in the car with his partner, and when Macy tries to convince his father-in-law to let him deliver the ransom money. But all of this pales in comparison to the true emerald of this film, the Oscar winning Best Actress in 1996, Frances McDormand. I simply could not stop grinning whenever she was onscreen. The dialect, the eye contact, the facial expressions and the delivery of her dialogue were beyond perfect, in fact, I say it's one of the best performances in the history of the cinema. On top of that, Fargo has many additional American touches that distinguish it from the parade of kidnapping movies. For example, I loved how the criminals weren't always in total control, I loved how the Police Chief while very smart, was also very naive and even sweet, I love the father-in-law and son-in-law relationship that's examined more closely than most films, or the sweet realization of loving couple starting to age. All of this was beautifully woven into the complex storyline of Fargo, and to top it all off, who the hell can forget the woodchip scene?

In summation, I'm sorry I wrote so much, but again, I'm reaching out to intelligent people who love movies like I do, and I want to emphasize AGAIN that both movies are well worth seeing. The English Patient is well acted, heart warming, beautifully photographed and has a profound sense of place in the desert rivaling even Lawrence of Arabia in that regard. It's a very good film. Fargo is outstandingly well acted, has a beautiful character chemistry consisting of half a dozen characters (English Patient only had 3 that were well done IMO), marvelous cinematography, and such beautiful moments of quiet, that it goes from a great film, into a masterpiece. The English Patient is well done but I say Fargo stands far superior by comparison, and I'm really appalled that the Academy overlooked Fargo while giving The English Patient no fewer than 9 Oscars. I think they should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. They almost always get it wrong, but this one was so outrageous it made me cringe.

What are your thoughts? Regardless of your opinions, I'd like to hear.

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The English Patient is a perfectly competent, and poignantly poetic vision. I love, love The English Patient. However, given the direction, performances, and cinematography, Fargo is the artistic milestone of its time.

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I agree

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Wow. You used a lot of words to make your point--I'll try to keep it a bit shorter. But I have to disagree. I enjoyed Fargo, but not as Best Picture, and not better than English Patient.

The points you mentioned: cinematography, actors, storyline, et. al., we're good ones, but also easy to refute. Direction is also another one. The Cohen brothers are good, but they aren't for everyone's taste. They created a movie that was hilarious for some people, but for many, was full of crass, low-brow humor. Feeding a body into a wood chipper and the bloody snow scenes cannot possibly compare to the sweeping, stark beauty of the desert scenes in EP, from the visual aspect as well as the storytelling aspect.

The same can be said for the acting. The ensemble cast effort of EP was beyond brilliant. Each character had a poignant, heart-rending story to tell and it wove the story into a wondrous fabric. Fargo's cast was great, also. But while they each did a great job of assuming their individual roles, they just told a funny-but-shocking-story without being a broad and engaging ensemble.

I think just the overall story that was told, the finished product combined with the casting and chemistry of EP cannot compare to Fargo in measurable terms, and that's why I can't agree with you.

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Fargo trumps The English Patient in my opinion.

I really don't like romances but The English Patient was a well done film but at times a bit drawn out. Fargo was just a more interesting movie - from the accents, the premise, the location, the unintentional comedy (or intentional) - it grips you and never lets go.

If I were to watch The English Patient now, I would probably reduce its score - doubt I would do that to Fargo - it's a one of a kind flick.

Right now I am debating what was a better flick Atonement or The English Patient...I am not sure if they are totally in the same category (can barely remember the plots) but I like going back and seeing if the scores I give movies still hold up

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I watched The English Patient all the way through last night for the first time. It is a beautiful story, a well crafted epic, worthy of a Best Picture Oscar. I love Fargo, but it just isn't in the same league.

The English Patient was a little too long for me. I don't think it is the kind of movie I will want to watch every chance I get, like Gone With
the Wind or The Godfather or a Steve McQueen flick.

I certainly think The English Patient, and epic films of that type, are more deserving of Academy Awards than fare like Slumdog Millionaire, Fargo, etc.

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Fargo was simply the better movie so it deserved Best Picture. But TEP had more to it (beautiful filming, costumes, make-up) than Fargo. Because TEP was a much harder movie to make than Fargo and succeeded, it deserved the Best Director win.

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The reason The English Patient won Best Film over Fargo is that back then the Oscar organization hadn't kicked out their old white members.

It won't happen again.

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