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Harriet Smith's mother is...


I have been reading a book by Natalie Tyler called "The Friendly Jane Austen" and the author writes about a theory she (among other authors) have regarding the lineage of Harriet Smith. In brackets are my own words.

Tyler writes: More than one critic has noted that Emma may be read as a mystery story, pure and simple. Hints, deftly woven into the fabric of the novel, can easily pass unnoticed, so that each rereading yields one more delighted "Of course. Why did I never notice that before?"

Yet in 170 years' study of the book, no one has ever caught the clue, mischievously left in plain sight by Jane Austen, to the identity of Harriet Smiths' mother.

Perhaps modern readers miss it becaues they forget the convention governing the naming of daughters in Jane Austen's world. The first girl was properly named for the mother. Thus Jane's older sister bore the name of Cassandra, and their cousin Jane Cooper was named for her mother, Mrs. Austen's sister Jane Leigh.

[For time's sake, I will now abbreviate the evidence supplied by Tyler.]

Evidence for this tradition being strictly observed:

- Miss Frances Ward becomes mother of Ganny Price, and Miss Maria Ward's first daughter is Maria Bertram.
- Lady Elizabeth Elliot of Persausion has given her name to her oldest daughter.
-Jane Bates is the mother of Jane Fairfax in Emma.
-Isabella Woodhouses' oldest daughter is Bella (also from book Emma), and Miss Taylor (also referred to as Anne or Anna) names her infant Anna Weston.
...And the most significant evidence (in wide_eyed15's humble opinion), the illegitimate child of S&S is named for her mother, despite her illegitimacy.

[Now for the good part...]

Taylor: when Emma Woodhouse pays her penitent call on the Bateses, to find all in disarray, worth old Mrs. Bates flutters about and, "I hope you find a chair. I wish Hetty had not gone," she says.

Hetty?

Why does Jane Austen take the trouble to name Miss Bates for us? And is that name a diminutive for Harriet?

The chronology, carefully constructed as always by Jane Austen, easily allows for a visit by the secretly pregnant Miss Bates to her dying sister, for Jane Fairfax was three years old when her mother dies, and is not quite three years older than Harriet Smith. The child is born far from Highbury, and Lieutenant Fairfax's widwo, the only witness, dies soon after. Moreover, as old Mrs. Bates complains, nobody tells her anything.

we are never told about Harriest Smith's infancy, but she was undoubted placed, like the austen children themselves, with a country nurse who kept her until she was old enough to attend the esablishment of the Bateses' friend Mrs. Goddard. Miss Bates, whose warm heart and undemanding intellect resembple those of Mrs. Goddard - and of Harriet Smith herself - could keep a contented eye on the child without raising any comment while her maternal feelings found an outlet in the Fairfax child who had become her "foundling."

Jane Fairfax would have been too young to understand the significance of the infant if indeed she ever saw it. In any event, Jane's discretion is well-established. If we assume she knew that the parlor boarder at Mrs. Goddarg's was indeed her cousin, we have ironclad confirmation of the relationship.

Many a scholar has argued, from a complete lack of evidence, that "such universal silence on the matter clearly strengthens my thesis." And mannerly Jane Fairfax, who knows so well how to keep a secret, never once speaks a single word to Harriet Smith.

[...That's where I finish quoting from Ms. Tyler. What do you think? Is Miss Bates really Harriet's mother?]

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Nope.

Every few years this theory turns up again on some message board.

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Why do you say no? For the sake of argument, I want to point out that Tyler has supplied considerable evidence and you have not. Is there anything you have that you feel can disprove this theory?

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Sorry! I don't wish to engage in this topic because I'm really just not interested in it.
As stated above, it turns up on message boards every now and then; I've read arguments on both sides of the question and I don't believe that Miss bates is Harriet's natural mother. Incidentally, most of the people who put stock in this theory also believe that Mr. Woodhouse is Harriet's father.
http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0101d&L=austen-l&P =1722
(scroll down)
and this link discusses an alternate theory to harriet's parentage (Mr, Knightley and Miss Taylor)
http://lists.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0706d&L=austen-l&D =0&P=756&F=P

http://listserv.mcgill.ca/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9901b&L=austen-l&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;D=0&T=0&P=10554

If you dig around in message board archives on other sites (e.g. AustenBlog, Pemberley.com, Jane Austen's World, to name only a few.) you'll find threads where it was previously discussed; you'll also encounter people eager to engage in new discussion of the topic. This board rarely gets any hits anymore, but maybe someone who's interested will pop by...you never know!

IMO, if this is truly what JA had intended she would have come right out and written it that way. And in my own personal reading/research experience, Hetty is frequently a nickname for Henrietta; I don't think I've ever seen it as a nickname for Harriet, although I concede that it probably is used as such, it's just that I've never encountered it.

And speaking of theories...

there's one that Wickham's real father wasn't old Mr. Darcy's steward, but was, in fact, old Mr. darcy himself.

there's one that Charlotte Lucas Collins was actually gay.

There are theories that Emma is a lesbian, having relationships first with Miss taylor and later with Harriet.

There are others, but I can't think of them just now, off the top of my head.

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I disagree with this theory for two reasons:

'Hetty' is a diminutive of Hester or sometimes Henrietta, I've never come across it as a shortened version of Harriet. 'Hatty' and more recently 'Harry' are diminutives of Harriet. Even if the two women do have the same name, it's not enough to convince me of the relationship. Although, conventionally, eldest daughters were named after their mother, this isn't always the case. Mr Woodhouse tells us that Isabella was almost named Catherine after her grandmother. Elsewhere, Anne de Bourgh and Georgianna Darcy aren't named after their mothers and Edward and Elizabeth Austen named their eldest girl Fanny, which doesn't seem to have raised any eyebrows.

And most importantly, IMO, is the personality and character of Miss Bates herself. Since Miss Bates can't keep her mouth shut for more than 2 seconds on trivial matters, I just can't see her keeping a secret of this magnitude quiet for any length of time. I also don't see her being cool headed enough to keep an unexpected pregnancy secret from her nearest and dearest or ruthless enough to drag a recently bereaved, poverty stricken and terminally ill sister into a cover-up operation, or of being cold hearted enough to able to keep away from Harriet once she was placed in a school so near her. There are characters in the JA novels I can see doing this very easily, but the lovely, silly, kind hearted, generous, sweet tempered, indiscrete and annoying Miss Bates, for me just isn't one of them. Feel free to disagree

I don't see any significance in JA giving us Hetty Bates first name, she also gives us the names of other characters in Emma who have no significance to the plot. What could be more natural than a mother calling her child by her first name? We're told that Harriet's father is well off enough to support his daughter in some comfort and that he can give her a dowry. Isn't it likely that a responsible man would have left the mother of his child in poverty when he was in a position to help her?

I've also read the theory that Frank Churchill murdered his aunt because she was standing in the way of his marriage. I don't believe that either.

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I agree. Especially with the part about Miss Bates not being able to keep such a huge secret. Just wanted to also add that convention wasn't necessarily to name the oldest daughter after the mother, but after the mother's side of the family; so just as often the oldest daughter's name was not the same as her mother's, but may have been the same as her maternal grandmother's, maternal aunt's, maternal great-grandmother's, and so on.

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Also, I think it says in the book somewhere that it was eventually discovered that Harriet's parents' had the name Martin, meaning she would have been "Harriet Martin" whether or not she married Robert. Or maybe I just imagined that part..I don't know...

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Not quite . At the end of the novel, Harriet Smith marries Robert Martin and he finds out from Mrs Goddard who Harriet's father is. We never find out his name.

Harriet's parentage became known. She proved to be the daughter of a tradesman, rich enough to afford her the comfortable maintenance which had ever been her's, and decent enough to have always wished for concealment. Such was the blood of gentility which Emma had formerly been so ready to vouch for! It was likely to be as untainted, perhaps, as the blood of many a gentleman: but what a connexion had she been preparing for Mr. Knightley, or for the Churchills, or even for Mr. Elton! The stain of illegitimacy, unbleached by nobility or wealth, would have been a stain indeed.



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OK, so I know that this thread is super old, but I just had to add that I recently re-read my copy of Mr. Knightley's Diary by Amanda Granger, and I realized that's where I got the idea about her birth name. In that book it's supposed to be Martin. I was confusing unofficial works with the official one.

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