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2 Questions (Help Weasel France!) :)


1. Why did Mr. Elton snub Harriet at the dance?
2. Why did Mrs. Elton refuse to play the game on Box Hill.

I haven't read the book so I'm just going off of the movie.




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I can answer 1.) Elton was really resentful of Emma for thinking Harriet was good enough for him. I think he considered it an insult, and his resentment carried over to her.

As for WeaselFrance, he's like Beetlejuice. You have to say his name three times. ;^)

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Weaselfrance is a she.

As to the second question, I actually don't blame Mrs. Elton for not wanting to play. She would likely not have anything entertaining to say either.

But you (the OP) should read the book. It's wonderful.

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I guess the reason I'm confused was due to the scene where Emma had both of them over for tea and Mrs. E suggested a book club, indicating that she liked Emma's company, but then not only was she snubbed at the picnic but insulted by both of them. I just don't get it.



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Jane Austen must not have had a good opinion of preachers because both of characters in P&P and Emma were both proud and haughty, just plain unlikable characters.





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Jane Austen's father and brothers were clergymen. Henry Tilney, the AMAZING hero of Northanger Abbey, is a clergyman.

Austen's various clergymen characters illustrate that there are all kinds of people in the world; some are very pleasant to be around, and some are not. This is true for all walks of life, even among the clergy.


2. Why did Mrs. Elton refuse to play the game on Box Hill.


Mrs. Elton doesn't really like Emma. She is jealous of her because Emma is the leading lady of Highbury society. Mrs. Elton suggests that she and Emma form a club (a musical club, not a reading club) because it's a way of aligning herself with the leading lady of Highbury society. the way she suggests it to Emma illustrates that she believes that she and Emma are on equal footing, when that is not really the case.


Part of the reason why Mrs. Elton chooses not to join in the game is because the way Frank says, "Miss Woodhouse commands...." She is older than Emma, and a married woman, and is put out that Frank would suggest such an amusement in which she would be subservient (in a manner of speaking) to Emma.

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I stand corrected, thank you for the clarification.



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Edited above comment with stuff about Mrs Elton

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I probably shouldn't ask this question on this board because I just finished watching the new Emma, but, is Mr. Elton still in love with Emma towards the end, I mean it seemed like he was looking at her with longing? Also, he seemed depressed when marrying Harriet and Robert Martin.

That won't be a happy marriage (between the Eltons). Mrs. Elton in the newer version was much more awful than the 1996 version.

Also, why was Mr. Elton not referred to as the Reverend Elton? And as a Reverend, why did he hold himself so much higher than Harriet?



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Elton didn't really have feelings for Emma, he just saw her as a great catch, both socially and financially.

I didn't think he seemed depressed when marrying harriet and martin; imo he was acting like a jerk by emphasizing the "poorer" part of the vows (for richer, for poorer) and referring to Harriet, smugly.

Harriet is referred to as a "natural daughter" of someone. That was a "polite" way back then of speaking about someone whose parents weren't married. (Yes, Harriet is a bastard.) Elton is extremely insulted that Emma would think of matching him with Harriet, because of her low social standing (as a bastard).

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christeline1 wrote:
Also, why was Mr. Elton not referred to as the Reverend Elton?
The conventions for addressing Anglican clergy today are as follow:
Position Priest
On envelopes The Rev John Smith or Father John Smith
Salutation in letter Dear Mr/Mrs/Ms Smith or Dear Father Smith
Oral address Mr/Mrs/Ms Smith or Father John/Smith or Vicar/Rector/Prebendary/Curate/Chaplain etc. as applicable
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_Address_in_the_United_Kingdom#Church_of _England

The conventions do not seem to have changed much, if at all, from Jane Austen's time except for the provision for female priests.

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Thank you very very much for taking the time to write such a detailed answer. I am most grateful :)



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