Rank???
Lauren holly's character is a lieutenant but lieutenant is 1 bar,
she has two bars on her collar which is the rank of captian and this isn't in the goofs page??
It's NOT a goof.
You are. LOL
You are applying Army ranking to Navy Officers.
A Navy Lt. and an Army Cpt. are the same O3 rank with the same 2-bar ensignia.
the one bar is a Lt j.g.
equal to a 1st Lt.
Navy Ranks
O1 Ensign
02 Lieutenant Junior Grade
O3 Lieutenant
O4 Lieutenant Commander
O5 Commander
O6 Captain
O7 Rear Admiral (Lower Half)
O8 Rear Admiral
O9 Vice Admiral
010 Admiral
O11 Fleet Admiral
Army Ranks
O1 2nd Lieutenant
02 1st Lieutenant
O3 Captain
O4 Major
O5 Lt. Colonel
O6 Colonel
O7 Brigadier General
O8 Major General
O9 Lt. General
010 General
O11 General of the Army
Only in the Navy is a Captain a By-God CAPTAIN and not some junior officer.
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Oh thanks for that I just did some more research ive got it now, and I thought I had that down, forgive me its diffrent in Australia
shareAustralia huh?
Thats ok then, Everything looks different when you are upside down.
Just Kiddin!
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Just a bit of trivia: in Norway, Captain comes before Commander. The Navy ranks are thus (translated):
Seaman
Able seaman
Midshipman
Ensign
Lieutenant
Captain (or rather, "Lieutenant Captain", like the German Kapitänleutnant)
Commodore (or rather, "Commodore Captain")
Captain-Commander
Commander
Flag-Commander
Rear Admiral
Vice Admiral
Admiral
The same ranks for the Army:
Private
Corporal
Sergeant
Ensign
Lieutenant
Captain
Major
Lieutenant Colonel
Colonel
Brigadier
Major General
Lieutenant General
General
Also, Able Seaman and Corporal ranks only signify a slightly higher wage, because of extra (often plush) responsibilities. They can in no way pull rank on Seamen/Privates. Perhaps on paper, but in practice they'd just be ridiculed for trying. In addition, the rank of Midshipman/Sergeant includes an automatic promotion to Ensign after one year. This may have changed since my time in the service, though, which was eight years ago.
You said, "the one bar is a Lt j.g.
equal to a 2nd Lt. "
Lt j.g. is equal to a 1st Lt.
Ensigns (Navy & CG) and 2nd Lts (Army,AF, Marines) (O-1) both
have 1 bar, which is gold-colored.
Lt j.g.s (Navy & CG) and 1st Lts (Army,AF, Marines) (O-2)also
have 1 bar, which is silver-colored.
Thanks for pointing out my typo... I did have it right in the lists. I corrected my post.. thanks. I knew it right. just typed it wrong...
Sometimes my hands think for themselves.
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Seaman and Able Seaman comprise the ONLY two enlisted ranks in the Norwegian Navy? I would think they'd have Petty Officers and Chiefs like most navies do, to distinguish the lifers.
shareYou've forgotten "Warrant Officers" and "Specialists"...
And the "Ship's Captain" can actually hold almost any officer rank, but still ranks as "Captain". When "Admiral Graham" takes the conn on Karl Knox's "Orlando", he usurps the the ship's Captaincy. In an emergency, where senior commanders may be lost to to attack or accident, an Ensign can become the Ship's "Captain" if he is the highest ranking "Command Officer" left aboard and functional...
I'd even bet that some ships in WWII limped home with CPO "Captains" unless an officer was lent by another ship.
If Tom Dodge were killed in an accident after Lt. Pascoe is "un-shipped", want to bet that Lt. Lake would be "Stingray 1" until relieved by a transplanted officer or she "homed" the Stingray and surrendered her command in port.
"Vademecum..."
Please do yourself a favor to avoid looking this bad again.
Dont presume to correct someone who was in the Naval service when it is clear you do not know what you are talking about and have not served yourself.
Thanks.
You've forgotten "Warrant Officers" and "Specialists"...
No I did not. I was only listing Officer ranks from two different services, Army and Navy. Warrant Officers are a seperate scale. and Specialists are only an Army thing, Not Navy. Do you really want me to list the comparative Army/Navy Enlisted ranks as well?? I could but I'm not going to bother as thats not the point I was making. I was showing where the confusion is over people thinking a (Navy) Lieutenant's bars, is being incorrectly addressed as a (Army) Captain's bars.
And the "Ship's Captain" can actually hold almost any officer rank, but still ranks as "Captain". When "Admiral Graham" takes the conn on Karl Knox's "Orlando", he usurps the the ship's Captaincy. In an emergency, where senior commanders may be lost to to attack or accident, an Ensign can become the Ship's "Captain" if he is the highest ranking "Command Officer" left aboard and functional...
yes and no.
I know the point you are TRYING to make, but you are making it wrongly. You are confusing two seperate things, RANK and POSITION. A rank of Captain, and the POSITION of COMMANDING OFFICER or CO for short. The term "Ships captain" is a Civilian affectation. In the Service it is Commanding Officer or CO. This is to AVOID CONFUSION with the RANK of Captain. And while certain commands do not require the Rank of Captain to be a CO, there are still certain requirements of rank that must be met to be CO of a given command. They will NOT give command of a Destroyer to some Ensign fresh out of the Acadamy. While combat losses may leave a younger officer with a lower rank in temprary command, he is still not considered the CO, only as the Officer in temporary command.
Cruisers, Carriers, SSBN's, etc... require a rank of Captain.
Destroyers, SSN's and some other Amphibs require at least a rank of Commander.
Some smaller patrol vessels, minesweepers etc, may have a Lieutenant or Lt. Commander as a CO. some harbor tugs etc, may even have just a senior enlisted such as a Chief Petty Officer in charge, but these are not considered seperate commands.
If Tom Dodge were killed in an accident after Lt. Pascoe is "un-shipped", want to bet that Lt. Lake would be "Stingray 1" until relieved by a transplanted officer or she "homed" the Stingray and surrendered her command in port."unshipped"? "homed"? LMAO
your terminology goes to show your lack of Military knowledge and experiance. Again stop correcting those who have "been there done that got the t-shirt"
and just so you know, even the movie got "stingray 1" wrong. When the Commanding officer is speaking over a radio net, he is referred to as ACTUAL as in "Stingray Actual". Even "Battlestar Galactica" got that part right, if nothing else.
Sorry for the rudeness of this post but it pisses me off when someone without experiance presumes to tell me I dont know what I am talking about.
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How right you are. Those of us who have worn (or wear) the blue often take umbrage at the displays of ignorance about things "Navy". I have seen junior officers of other services call me Major (when actually a LCDR) or Colonel when a Captain.
A little research on the part of writers and producers will help this. Look at NCIS on TV. I have not seen one mistake in uniform regulations or rank insignia, because the producer bothered to get it right.
Independance Day had a Navy Captain wearing large silver eagles on his collor, much like an Army Colonel. mine are much, much,smaller. My wife says she can't see them they are so tiny.LOL
Actually, they did an excellent job with thios movie regarding rans and uniform insignia, not to mention proper address of junior officers to a higher ranking one. except marty pascal, of course, but he's an idiot and should have been in the Air Force.
not to mention proper address of junior officers to a higher ranking one.
ADM Graham: "Careful there Dodge. You are addressing a superior officer!"
CDR Dodge: "No... Mearly a higher ranking one"
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