LAUREN HOLLY´S INSIGNIA - Down Periscope (1996) Discussion

[–] Fenris69 17 years ago

she wears navy lt bars, in other services it's a captain's insignia

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[–] Kraal93 15 years ago

Having a Dad who was a captain in the Army in 'Nam, Ilike military insignia. I don't know that much about the ranks, but I do like the rank pins I collected while working at Luke AFB.

I bought a pair of captain's bars at Allied Surplus in Phoenix, AZ. A couple years later, while working at a thrift store, I found a larger Captain's bars pin. It was heavier, a bit larger, and the rods connecting the bars together were farther apart than my smaller captain's bars. I guess that pin is a Naval Lieutennant's bars. Whatever it is, it's an attractive addition to my rank pins set.

Cosby: "GET OUTTA HERE, CHICKEN HEART! YOU WON'T COME NEAR SMOKE AND FIRE AND JELL-O!"

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[–] cgostel 15 years ago

The bigger bars are for wear on outer garments, specifically the rain coat and windbreaker.

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[–] MannLaw 9 years ago

Correct. A Navy Lt. equals an Army Captain. Two bars or railroad ties.

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[–] chuckeatscake 17 years ago

Navy LT and Army/Marine/Airforce captains are both O3s and wear the same insignia.
N00b.

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[–] CGSailor 17 years ago

You also are probably confounded at the Admirals wearing Generals stars too huh?

LEARN YOUR RANKS

Sir, Put the mouse down slowly and step away from the keyboard!

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[–] astymegoesby 16 years ago

Those annoyed the crap out of me. You had a 3-star Admiral (Vice) and a 2 star (RAdm UH)

Yep, there are links to show you who wears what and why the chevrons point down in the navy and up in the Army, AF. :P~

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[–] timgdx 16 years ago

One interesting thing is that while ensigns will wear gold bars, the most junior ensign "George" will have these bars with "right" and "left" engraved on them.

The senior, or Bull ensign wears a much larger Army or Air Force 2nd lieutenant's bar.

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[–] ldeschane-1 15 years ago

That is right about Lauren Holly's railroad tracks for senior LT in the Navy. Also, in the IMDB Goofs section for this movie it is mentioned that she is wearing gold dolphins, however, on close examination she is wearing gold water wings, given to the Surface Warfare Navy.

Great movie for those of us who served in the Silent Service. I wear my Dolphins proudly.

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[–] timgdx 15 years ago

That is right about Lauren Holly's railroad tracks for senior LT in the Navy. Also, in the IMDB Goofs section for this movie it is mentioned that she is wearing gold dolphins, however, on close examination she is wearing gold water wings, given to the Surface Warfare Navy.

Not really a goof, it just means that she qualified for Surface Warfare Officer before she was transferred to subs. Four years is plenty of time to earn the OSW badge.

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[–] CGSailor 15 years ago

LOL, I am sure it was just a typo but speaking of goofs:

Not really a goof, it just means that she qualified for Surface Warfare Officer before she was transferred to subs. Four years is plenty of time to earn the OSW badge.

it is a SWO Pin, not an OSW Badge. no such thing.

Enlisted sailors have their own version of the SWO, called the ESWS (Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist).

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] cardsfanbj 15 years ago

Army/Air Force/Marines: Ranks are the same
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_officer_rank_insi gnia

Navy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Navy_officer_rank_insignia
Basically, Naval eliminates Major, moves 2nd & 1st lieutenants and captain up 1 rank, and inserts Ensign in O-1, then replaces colonel & lt colonel with commander & lt commander, and replaces general with admiral (titles change, though)

NCIS-Is that anything like CSI?
Only if you're dyslexic

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[–] CGSailor 15 years ago

Really....

The ranks are the SAME... just labeled different.
Nothing removed, nothing inserted. Just called by a different name.

Take O-6. Called a Colonel in any other service but a Captain in the Navy.
and BTW... they move Captain up far more than just one rank.
AF captain is an O-3, in the Navy a Captain is an O-6.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] garrisonaw 12 years ago

I find it interesting (and a little annoying) that whenever I hear anyone complain about the rank and insignia in this movie, they always pick on the girl. Lt. Martin Pascal bore the same insignia as Lt. Emily Lake, but no one ever mentions him. And Lt. Cmdr. Tom Dodge and Cmdr. Carl Knox wore oak leaves, but no one ever asks why they're not called Major and Lt. Colonel.

If people are going to complain about something that isn't even a mistake, the least they could do is be fair about it.

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[–] gerard-nadeau 15 years ago

The Navy does not eliminate any ranks, they have O1 to O11 just like all the other branches but they just address them differently. A Navy Captain is equivalent to an Army, Air Force or Marine Colonel.

Grade---Navy----------------------------Army/Air Force/Marines
O1------Ensign--------------------------2nd Lieutenant
O2------Lt. JG--------------------------1st Lieutenant
O3------Lieutenant----------------------Captain
O4------Lt. Commander-------------------Major
O5------Commander-----------------------Lt. Colonel
O6------Captain-------------------------Colonel
O7------Rear Admiral (Lower Half)-------Brigadier General
O8------Real Admiral--------------------Major General
O9------Vice Admiral--------------------Lieutenant General
010-----Admiral-------------------------General
011-----Fleet Admiral-------------------General of the Army or AF (not Marines)

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[–] dawgpoundjohn 15 years ago

When I was in the Navy in the '80s, I was stationed in Charleston, SC. Also there was an Air Force MAC base. One day, I was talking with an AF captain (in uniform) about the military. He told me he really likes flying into Naval Air Stations. On approach, he told the tower he was Captain "Johnson." Ground Control guided him to a spot nearest the tower. When the ground crew came out to meet his plane, one of the Navy guys said, "Oh, an AIR FORCE Captain..."

The pilot got a kick out of it, though.

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[–] CGSailor 12 years ago

They say rank has its privileges. Apparently so does ignorance! LMAO.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] moviegeek71 12 years ago

Don't forget about CWO too. The first time I seen one of those I didn't know what to do, so I asked her, "do I salute you?"

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[–] CGSailor 12 years ago

After I was medivac'ed out of the gulf, I was at Balboa Naval Hospital.
I was just a Seaman and I was being given an exam by the Doctor.
The Doctor was a Commander.
The Doctor was Female
The Doctor was good looking.

She got to the "Turn your head and Cough" portion of the exam...
I was so damned nervous it didn't know whether to "salute" or shrink.

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] moviegeek71 12 years ago

When I was on the carrier in the Gulf, it was 5,500 men and 2 women. One was a communications officer that was rarely seen and the other was the chaplain. She would run through the hanger bay in spandex biker shorts every morning. Let's just say a lot of sailors got religious real fast on that cruise.

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[–] CGSailor 12 years ago

Let's just say a lot of sailors got religious real fast on that cruise.

So the chaplain's plan worked! Lol

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] DD-931 12 years ago

I always enjoyed working with the Marines and being called a Captain.

I believe the Navy version of a one-star general was called a "Commodore" well into the 20th century (around World War II). When I was serving, they just went from Captain to Rear Admiral, in effect skipping from 0-6 to 0-8. I never heard this Rear Admiral (Lower Half) designation. Is that what they call it nowadays?

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[–] CGSailor 12 years ago

The whole Commodore/Rear Admiral (Lower Half) is a bit confusing as it has changed multiple times throughout history.

As it stand NOW. Commodore is not a rank but a positional title. These are Senior Captains which command a squadron of vessels or multiple squadrons of aircraft (other than squadrons with Air Wings, whose commanders are called CAG's)

Rear Admiral Lower Half and read Admiral Upper half (or simply Rear Admiral)
Are one and two stars respectively. (O-7 and O-8)

1899: rank of Commodore discontinued

1942: re-established

1947: discontinued again yet used as honorary title for Captains (O-6) commanding more than one major unit.

During this postwar period. There was no 1-star Admirals. All were 2-star "rear Admirals but were divided between lower and upper halves, the lower being paid the same as a 1-star general. So upper and lower were the same "Rank" (2-star) but paid differently.

1982: Because of the complaints on the upper/lower half Admirals being same rank,Commodore was re-introduced as an official rank as a 1-star (O-7).

This now caused confusion due to the practice of the honorary title of Commodore being used by the senior captains of multiple Commands.

1983: Commodore (O-7) was renamed Commodore Admiral to differentiate it from the Commodore title used by Captains (O-6)

1984: That lasted only 11 months before being dropped back in favor of simply Commodore.

1985: The O-7 1-star rank was renamed Rear Admiral (Lower Half) from Commodore and Commodore is still used today as the honorary title for Captains of multiple units.

Confused yet?

I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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[–] philoj 11 years ago

In the Navy we called O-1 to O-2 the biggest promotion in the entire military. O-2 is "Lieutenant (junior grade)" but nobody EVER uses the "JG", so O-2 is usually referred to as "Lieutenant." A Navy Lieutenant is someone who's been in anywhere from 3 to 8 years, so they can be relatively senior.

So when you're promoted from O-1 to O-2, you go from "someone who's a complete noob" to "someone who's been around for a while" and it's a huge feeling.

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[–] Promontorium 11 years ago

Basically, Naval eliminates Major, moves 2nd & 1st lieutenants and captain up 1 rank, and inserts Ensign in O-1, then replaces colonel & lt colonel with commander & lt commander, and replaces general with admiral (titles change, though)

That's not exactly how the ranks came about but if it helps you remember the differences that's fine.

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