We need a pre-crisis superman cartoon.....
He's just, so weak in this one, I want to see him kick everyone's ass just in time for dinner.
shareNah. Theres no drama with that.
Break it down!
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I agree, I didn't like that "cutting loose" speech in Destroyer. I mean, we already saw him cut loose against Darkseid and his army in Legacy, and it made far more sense for him to do so in Apokolips than in Metropolis, where he might actually inflict casualties among innocent civilians (though I guess the same point could be made for the slaves on Apokolips).
Plus, I thought the fight against Darkseid was handled much better in Legacy, with Superman physically weaker but outsmarting the supposedly superior opponent by using Darkseid's own Omega Beam against him.
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I was never bothered by the cut loose speech since he rarely gets to do so during justice league. They made him pretty weak in season one so any time he gets in a good fight I'm glad for it. Sure he was defeated in the end, but he still gave Darkseid a good fight and didn't fall over after a couple of punches.
Also it takes a really talented writer to give challenges to someone as powerful as pre crisis Supes but it can be done. The writers of the show had to take a lot from Post Crisis Superman, I believe because of DC's influence.(This is also why TAS Supergirl is from Argos and is not his Kryptonian cousin)
It's a shame they never got Elliot Maggin or Cary Bates to write for this show or Justice League. They knew how to write interesting stories with conflict and drama yet Superman was very powerful. It's all in the writing.
Personal opinion on how powerful or not powerful Superman should be doesn't change the fact that the animated series was one of the most well-written, well-acted, and well-animated action cartoons ever.
shareHow about a waaay pre-crisis Superman? I mean from back when he couldn't fly, so he jumped around like a grasshopper, and could be hurt by a bursting shell. When he was such a roughneck right from birth that he gave the doctor who delivered him a black eye, then later intimidated thugs by tossing them in the air and commenting that he might not catch them next time, and he didn't have any recurring villains because he killed them all. Well, except for that bald guy in a wheelchair who later became a woman. Not to mention how Superman constantly screwed Lois Lane out of her scoops by rushing back to the Daily Star as Superman, then changing to Clark Kent and submitting the story before she could get back. Ha Ha! Now that would be a cool cartoon ;) .
shareWatch the old Fleischer cartoons from the 40's. They still come on tv sometimes. That's pretty much what you described. BTW, the bald guy in the wheelchair was Superman's first archenemy the Ultra Humanite. He was the forerunner of Lex Luthor. If not for him the Luthor of today might have a head full of red hair instead being bald.
shareThe Filmation cartoons were based on the Silver Age Superman, as was Super Friends.
Ultra Humanite was not in the Fleischer cartoons. That scientist is never named. Humanite was, however, mistaken for Luthor, which led to Luthor being bald, despite having hair in his earliest story.