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Quality compared to Batman: TAS or Spectacular Spider-Man?


I just finished Spectacular Spider-Man for the first time; fantastic series.

How does this series compare in quality to that and Batman: The Animated Series?

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Probably a step-down from Batman:TAS, but it's still a fantastic series. Haven't seen Spectacular Spiderman so, I can't compare.

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Personally I like this series more than B:TAS but not quite as much as The Spectacualar Spider-Man

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Superman: The Animated Series and Batman: The Animated Series are a million times better than the craptastic Spectacular Spider-Man. Batman and Superman were more mature whereas Spectacular Spider-Man is very juvenile.

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Superman and Batman were about the same in quality though the Superman one was more lighthearted and the Batman series more dark. Spectacular Spiderman I would rank a little under them but not by much.

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Exactly. Batman is tops. Just the quality and such pushed it into instant classic status.

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BTAS > STAS > Spectacular Spider-Man.

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I think Batman the Animated Series was quite well done and easily the best of the batman adaptations on screen. But that does not really apply to The New batman Adventures which I think is often counted as Season 4 of the series, where all the styles changed. To me, Superman The Animated Series is like the later Batman entries. It's weaker on story and character and more emphasis is placed on the plots and action. I just reviewed the episode that Ra's Al Ghul appeared in, and that perfectly illustrates my point. The episodes of him in the original Batman series ere all superbly written, with great voice work, and overall great plots. But here, we got a silly action oriented Society of shadows with silly sci-fi flying jet skis, and bad continuity with the voice work as both Talia and Ubu were voiced by different actors who did not even bother to give them accents. The story was too silly as well. Didn't like it at all, but it captures the essence of why the animated Superman is inferior to the animated Batman that preceded it...that being the lack of good character depth. Lois has nothing to offer but lame wise cracks no matter what the situation...one in response to every single line of dialogue that comes from someone else. She's all wisecrack and no depth. Now, that isn't to say that the series is without good episodes. It can be enjoyable from time to time, but it will never be a Batman The Animated Series.

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True, its not as good as Batman:TAS, and what show could be?

Honestly, though, its a good show. Not an exceptional show in terms of design and mood, but certainly a neat, brighter show. And it only got better as time went on.

Its also the first in the DCAU that centers around ongoing arcs. The two JL series are pretty much ongoing sagas, one after the other, and the pattern started here.

That said, I prefer Batman: TAS (and yes, I include TNBA in it, even if I shouldn't), Justice League (both shows) and even Batman Beyond over it. They just seemed more focused than Supes.

However, I will say this: The show, as I said, only got better, so by the time of the third season, they were really hitting their stride. A fourth season might've been exceptional.

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I see where you're coming from but I think design and mood is the one area of the show where Superman: TAS is about as good as Batman: TAS. The look of Metropolis, Superman's design, the color palette - are all excellent, and depict how Superman is a much brighter character than Batman.

But Superman: TAS generally lags behind Batman: TAS in terms of quality, I think for two main reasons.

1.) Superman's villains aren't as interesting as Batman's. Most of Batman's villains are just as psychologically scarred and interesting as Batman himself. TAS paved the way for characters like the Riddler and Scarecrow to appear in movies. In comparison, it's hard to find a villain who can actually pose a threat to Superman and who's also complex at the same time. The show usually had him fighting giant robots or guys like the Parasite or Metallo who were basically "science projects gone bad."

2.) Superman as depicted in comics is pretty much invulnerable. Unfortunately, a Saturday morning cartoon doesn't exactly work if your hero is omnipotent. Bruce Timm and his collaborators decided to tip the scale in the other direction by making Superman not so god-like in his powers. Personally, I feel they went too far. Superman came across as much too weak and vulnerable, always getting tossed by punches or screaming in agony at electrical blasts. Sure, he would always recoup and come back with a flurry of punches but for me the damage was done. In this show, Supes was just too weak.

It's still one of my favorite cartoons of all time, though, and I think the writers *really* got into a groove during Season 3. This show ended in its prime...it could have easily gone on for another season or two. Once the writers realized that could use Superman as the perfect anchor for the rest of the DCU and brought in characters like Aquaman, the Legion of Super Heroes, Supergirl, and Green Lantern - the whole scope of the show broadened considerably. This is still my favorite depiction of Supergirl, ever.

The producers also solved the problem of Supes' rogues gallery by positing Darkseid as his ultimate foe...the one guy who could get inside Superman's head and cause his blood to boil. The dark god to Superman's boy scout. Imagine what the writers could have done with Mongul?

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I agree, for the most part. But that said, I think some villain interpretations were an improvement over the comic books - Brainiac being a Kryptonian computer is a masterstroke, I think. And Toyman could easily have been a Batman villain, and its a shame he wasn't used more times.

It is really, really too bad they didn't get to do another season/volume. The show really had become as good as Batman Beyond at that point (a show that I think was more consistent overally).

Imagine what the writers could have done with Mongul?

You mean besides the "Warlord" two-parter that was done in JL?

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Yeah, I watched the "War World" two-parter after I posted that and it was terrible. Season 1 of Justice League is pretty rough stuff. From my understanding, though, later on they adapted the Alan Moore story "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" so hopefully that makes better use of Mongul.

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That was "For the Man Who Has Everything" not "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow."

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It does use Mongul well. Great episode. It reminds me of Perchance to Dream.

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