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New to the show, have some questions:


As I cannot find this show anywhere to watch, I went on ahead and ordered the first two seasons, and will order the 3rd season come payday. I was watching a marathon of The X-Files, and am up to about halfway through season 6, when I remembered this awesome looking show: Millennium, by the same person who did the x-files, as well as around the same time. This is really exciting to me, but I have some questions:

Why was this show cancelled after only 3 seasons, given the great feedback I've heard?

Why is this only rated a 7.8? From the feedback and responses I've heard from, this show sounds like it deserves at least an 8.5 or more.

Is this show comparable to "The X-Files", and which show did you personally like better? The X-FIles, or Millennium?

Thank you so much for your time and I look forward to hearing back!

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I can't speak to why the show was canceled, but I can say that I got fed up and quit watching halfway through S3. Each season is completely different from the one that went before it and I just didn't like 3 at all.

I also can't say why the ratings are low on IMDb, but aren't they all? Most people refuse to rate anything a 10 and a lot of immature idiots rate things 1 just to be pissy.

The show isn't much like The X Files at all. It's very dark and morose for the most part, though Season Two was lightened up quite a bit since Morgan & Wong helmed it and they were responsible for most of the funniest TXF eps. I, personally, loved S2. It's the only season I own.

The X Files was far superior. Totally classic. Millennium remains not much more than a cult show, dearly loved by Ten Thirteen fans, and few others.
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The show was cancelled because the ratings were continually plumetting from Season 1 on. At the end of Season 3 it still had a larger viewership than many other shows, but ultimately Fox thought it wasn't enough. They had never been huge fans of the show anyway, they thought it was too dark and depressing.
Most TV shows on imdb have actually far too positive ratings, for example the underwhelming show "Haunted" (which btw. was scored by Mark Snow and produced by Kay Maher and Erin Reindl, who had worked on Millennium too) has a 7.1 rating. The thing is that most fans vote with a 9 or 10, hence even crappy shows with cult followings have high ratings. In case of Millennium the several seasons differ so much from each other that it might be difficult to rate the show as a whole, it is almost like 3 different shows. Some fans love Season 1, hate Season 2 or vice versa, this could explain the rating.
Regarding the statement that "The X-Files was far superior" I respectfully disagree. I did watch The X-Files as a teenager, back when it first aired in the 90's, but I've never really been a fan. Several years ago I bought some of the dvd sets to rewatch the show, but I couldn't get past season 2, somehow I felt bored by all the monster of the week episodes and although I admire the concept, the execution of the show was just too silly for me, or I guess it's simply not my cup of tea. I could never relate to Mulder or Scully as characters either. Frank Black on the other hand has such a beautiful humanity to him.
For me Millennium is the far superior show, especially Season 2 really pushed the boundaries.
In the end everybody has to decide for himself though. There are people who consider Millennium a catastrophic failure and it will always be overshadowed by The X-Files success, but that is one of the reasons I love the show, it's just smaller and more personal to me. The X-Files probably has millions of fans, while Millennium might have a few thousand fans, it was never this huge cultural phenomenon which was loved by everybody, you can discover it for yourself, which makes it special.




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Totally agree with your X Files comparison. I thought the XF was boring. Millennium is a cool show, dark, disturbing and thought provoking. X Files...Not so much.

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You need to watch more episodes if you think X-Files never ventures into dark/disturbing territory.

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The creators of the show had no longterm plan. This is blatantly evident as early as season 2. As a result, the show undergoes some pretty drastic changes as it goes on.

It already was a tough sell, mainstream audiences tend to shy away from stuff this dark and horrific. X-Files benefited from being a wide assortment of interesting things, from aliens to monsters to myths. Millennium is about serial killers and evil, that's it. Add to that the fact that the show never really knew what it wanted to be, and it's understandable why it not only had a hard time attracting new fans, but lost some of its former ones as the show went on.

It is comparable to X-Files. The first season is full of stuff that is just as dark and horrific as the most demented and chilling X-Files episodes. Season 3(and season 2 now that i remember it) introduces crappy, halfassed, nonsensical, convoluted conspiracy arcs involving dark shadowy psuedo-gov't organizations.

Many season 3 eps felt like storylines X-Files writers had passed on or decided was too low quality to use.

That's actually one of the things i think doomed the show. It lost its original charm and what made it so unique and special, and instead began to feel too much like a mere X-Files clone(and an inferior one at that).

Don't take my negative comments the wrong way, the show overrall is absolutely incredible. There are numerous misteps but ultimately the good FARRRRRRR outweighs the bad and the whole series is worth watching. Tremendous stuff. It remains the most horrifying and darkest show in history, excluding x-files of course.

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It was cancelled because it never achieved the ratings that they hoped for, or that its sister show, The Xfiles, got

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I got the first two seasons in the mail. So far I really like the show. I'm only on episode 7 or 8 so far, but I really like the character of Frank Black. I will def finnish out the show, and so far I am really liking it. I hear that each season is vastly different than the previous, so I am excited to see what season two has in store. I miss shows that lasted 20-24 episodes per season, that are an hour each. This doesn't happen anymore unfortunately. Lame.

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Very cool to hear, I think you'll really enjoy what's ahead. Here's a review I wrote a few years back: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115270/reviews-92

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I think the other posters here pretty much covered the reasons why it was cancelled.

The IMDb rating of 7.8 takes into account every one of the 67 episodes of the show and gives an average overall rating for all three seasons. If you check the scores for individual episodes you'll find scores as high as 8.6 (quite a few in Season 2) and as low as 6.4 (Season 3s Human Essence). Season 3 in particular doesn't fare well, with only 4 episodes (out of 22) rated higher than 8, with an average per-episode score of between 7 to 7.4. This, of course, affects the final total score, despite the brilliant showing from Season 2 (13 episodes rated above 8 - five of which are rated 8.5 or higher).

I suppose, however, that at the end of the day, scores and tallies really don't matter if you love or hate a thing. I think a lot of people didn't like the show because of its tone and subject matter. And I think also that a lot of the show's fans became fed up with it during Season 3, when "Chip" Johannessen (who also wrote some forgettable X-Files episodes) took the reigns and effectively retconned a bunch of stuff from the previous seasons.





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Twassell,

First, welcome to the world of Millennium. Sit back and enjoy and amazing ride! I am one of the people behind the fan campaign Back to Frank Black and I'd like to answer your questions..

1) Several reasons why the show was cancelled. At the time, the pilot episode set a record at FOX when it aired. Almost 18 million viewers tuned in. Immediately after the pilot aired, FOX started getting calls from viewers who were disturbed or concerned about the content of the show. We all love the show, but Millennium is a very dark show and kind of a hard sell to many people. Also, the show was on Friday nights at 9pm which is called the death slot. As I said earlier, the ratings were huge the first episode, but as the season progressed, the numbers started to decline and the show pretty much stayed at the same level of viewers in the first season. Seasons 2 and 3 they ratings dipped more and FOX couldn't justify keeping it on the air. Also, Chris had a new show in the works called Harsh Realm that had ALOT of buzz in Hollywood at the time and it eventually took Millennium's spot. So you can say Carter helped cancel his own show. Harsh Realm only lasted 4 episodes and was cancelled. Frank Spotnitz also had a great comment a while back that at the time they didn't know this, but the television audience had started to erode and that was also a factor. Whew.

2)I never pay attention to fan ratings or things like that. :)

3) For me, the shows are different...Millennium is not a spin off which some people like to say. I think Millennium is the better written, produced and shot show between the two. The Mulder/Scully will they won't they scenario was just boring to me and took away from the show...i never actually got past season 4. Although Millennium is classified as a cult show, it is a MUCH better show than the Xfiles.

Also, each season is completely different. Season 1 is basically serial killer of the week, season 2 goes into more mythology and season 4 tries to bring it back to the procedural type show. Many people bash the third season. I say watch it and judge for yourself...I happen to be one of the people who really enjoyed season 3. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it just really bug me when people say, oh that season sucked or that episode sucked. I would say, when was the last time you wrote a television episode?? Ugh.

Anyway, long response, but basically, enjoy the show!

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" The Mulder/Scully will they won't they scenario was just boring to me and took away from the show...i never actually got past season 4."

This was an incredibly minor aspect of the show though until like the last couple seasons. It was played for laughs mostly(and played damn well i might add), especially thru season 4. I don't see how disliking that could cause someone to say "no thank you" to the show entirely. Very bizarre.

" it is a MUCH better show than the Xfiles"

Try watching past season 4 before coming to such an absurd conclusion.

Millennium certainly gives X-Files a run for its money for season 1 and certainly during some many eps in season 2, maybe a select handful of season 3, but that's it. Overrall it can't compare. Ultimately it repeats the same mistakes X-Files does(absurd, far too complex, convoluted conspiracy arcs) only FAR worse and then commits its own pisspoor writing via the out of control retconning and the completely nonsensical season 3. Add to all that how unoriginal it was forcing a dark, shadowy psuedo-govt organization conspiracy plotline into the show and it DEFINITELY can't compete with X-Files. If the writers had a strong idea of what they wanted to do with the show, it def could have been major competition, but they didn't, and it shows big time. It's a mix of inferior copying of certain elements from X-Files as well as a bizarre flight of ideas from one season to the next.

X-Files also has a full 9 seasons to go off of, which helps its cause immensely. It has its share of MAJOR misteps and flaws too, but when stretched across the span of 9 seasons, they're far more forgivable and less detrimental to the show as a whole. With Millenniums just 3 seasons, major misteps like the painfully crappy season 3 opening eps stand out like a sore thumb. Flaws in general are far more apparent and damaging.

" I would say, when was the last time you wrote a television episode?"

You should quit saying this cuz it's incredibly stupid. If a doctor botches a surgery, would your response be, "don't complain, when was the last time you performed a surgical operation?". Of course not, cuz that'd be insanely dumb. You don't have to be a professional television writer, or a writer at all, to criticize tv.

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I don't need to watch the series past Season 4 because I already know it won't interest me. I've had fans of both show fill me in so I'm good.

Just because a show ran 9 seasons means nothing. There are MANY shows that had shorter runs that are far superior to the X-files, some even Millennium. And from what I'm told, some of those seasons are quite bad...not my words, I could care less.

I won't resort to calling people dumb and absurd like a 5 year old would to say my piece.

Far too many people know NOTHING about the industry, what it's like to be in a writer's room, how to break a story, how to get a story on screen,dealing with standards and practices and how difficult it is to even get a series on television. It's one thing to criticize, but some of the stuff I've read, especially for the Xfiles fandom is just downright disrespectful. But, I guess that's how your fandom rolls.

At the end of the day, they are just television shows and for some people, they take that a bit TOO far.

"You should quit saying this cuz it's incredibly stupid. If a doctor botches a surgery, would your response be, "don't complain, when was the last time you performed a surgical operation?"

That doesn't even make sense, I just laughed. Thanks for that...

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What a shame. You're missing out on so much incredible television. There's sooooo many absolutely amazing episodes post season 4. I genuinely feel sorry for ya that you'll never experience them.

"There are MANY shows that had shorter runs that are far superior to the X-files"

A show like Breaking Bad is far more consistent and more intense then X-Files, sure. But it's hard to really compare X-Files to other shows given the fact that there's really almost nothing like it. And of the shows similar in genre to X-Files, NONE come anywhere close, at all.

The length of a show does matter though. Take the Simpsons. It's run for what, 23 seasons now, maybe more. Over half of that has been complete trash, some of the worst television in history. That said, i and MANY others still maintain that Simpsons is the single greatest show of all time, or at least among the top shows ever, and that's due solely to its earlier seasons (1-10 or 12). X-Files, as i said before does have a great deal of misteps. Its later seasons are plagued by quite a few issues, however, none are so bad they completely destroy the rest of the show and ultimately the show as a whole still holds up as something truly amazing. If a show only has 3 seasons and its final season is plagued by a great deal of issues, that is going to have a serious detrimental effect on the shows overrall impact and legacy.

I'm not giving X-Files bonus points just cuz it lasted a long time, don't get me wrong. That's not what i'm saying here.

"I won't resort to calling people dumb and absurd like a 5 year old would to say my piece. "

Saying, "if you can't do better, you shouldn't criticize", IS dumb though. There's no argument against that. How does my comparison not make sense? It's not different then what you're saying. You're saying, "if you've never been in a writers room yourself, never written a tv show yourself, don't bash em". What's different then that and any other profession/service you feel the need to criticize?

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"I never pay attention to fan ratings or things like that. :) "

That's a good philosophy. I tend to not really care what rating a TV show or a movie gets: I'd rather watch it myself and make up my own mind. If I let reviews and ratings run my life (like the majority of the world's population tends to do, unfortunately) I would have missed out on so many hidden gems and masterpieces, simply because they got some bad press.

I have a friend who will not, under any circumstances, watch any TV show that has an IMDb rating of lower than 8.0, and will therefore never experience what I've come to know as the brilliance of Millennium. He refuses to listen to reason, or to even indulge me by watching the first episode, despite me having explained to him the algorithm of how the overall score is tallied (see my post above). Unfortunately his attitude represents the majority of society.

On a personal note, I must say I'm quite saddened by the fact that you didn't enjoy The X-Files. It's a flawed show, definitely, and on it's bad days it's absolutely terrible. But when it's good, it's absolutely brilliant. There are episodes that have stayed with my my whole life, like close friends. Certain individual episodes still stand out as brilliant television, despite the fact that they came out around twenty years ago (has it really been that long? ). The Mulder/Scully "will they/won't they" scenario you're referring to is quite a minor aspect of the series (incidentally, they will).

I'm actually re-watching The X-Files now, together with Millennium. This will be the third time I will watch The X-Files from beginning to end, and this time I'm doing a lot of restructuring: deleting "unnecessary" episodes, and re-arranging the order to come up with a far more entertaining and cohesive series (this is egotism and narcissism at it's worst, I realize this, but I don't really care). Conversely, this is the first time I'm be watching Millennium (I've only seen random episodes before this) and so far (I'm approaching Season 2) I've thoroughly enjoyed every single episode (even the ones that have received mixed to negative reviews). Then again I'm quite a grim bastard and I love anything dealing with evil, serial killers, ritualistic rape, the end of the world and just gloominess in general.

I reserve judgement as to which is the better show, though... at least until I get to the end of Millennium.





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TheProdigalJerry...

Very cool on the rewatch. I may try and pick up Xfiles in the future, but not sure on that yet. I will say one that I was told to watch, can't remember what season it's from, but the episode Bad Blood was really good.

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I'm looking forward to getting through Millennium so that I can immediately rewatch it after I'm done. I know it sounds crazy, but I do it with all series I like. I tend to appreciate the finer points of a series more upon a revisit since my mind is no longer racing trying to keep plot points, storylines and character arcs together; I already know what's important and what isn't, so I can just settle in and enjoy it.


When it comes to The X-Files, there's no immediate rush. I'm not one of those fans who's going to berate you for not having seen it. And who knows... you might actually decide to watch the entire thing from start to finish and wind up hating it anyway...

Then I'd have that on my conscience.

Bad Blood is a very good X-Files episode, but I wouldn't recommend it as a first episode to watch after a long hiatus. Not that you won't catch on to the storyline ("Monster-of-the-Week" episodes like Bad Blood are not reliant on any previous knowledge of the storyline or characters), but simply because the tone of the episode might give you the wrong impression. Bad Blood is what is known in X-Phile circles as a "Comedy Episode," since it relies more on comedy and less on drama, horror or sci-fi. These episodes are usually highly rated since they tend to be a breath of fresh, comedic air after several episodes filled with dark sci-fi horror. They're sort of gems that you find along the way... a break from all the seriousness.

If I was trying to get you hooked on The X-Files I would probably need about ten great episodes to do it with.




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"These episodes are usually highly rated since they tend to be a breath of fresh, comedic air after several episodes filled with dark sci-fi horror"

It's not just cuz they offer a nice change of pace, they are brilliantly written and feature some amazing plots/stories. It's comedy gold.

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I'm not disputing that. But I do think that one shouldn't start on a comedy episode.




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