"Please pay attention, Marquez never ratted Soze out until he was arrested and going to jail. This already tells you he is an associate of Soze and not his enemy."
No, it doesn't. Marquez could have been part of another gang that worked with Soze. Later on, when Marquez gets arrested he starts to rat out people in order to avoid going to jail. The cops say that he ratted out 50 people, including Soze because he was the big fish and that revelation could have probably granted him immunity. Moreover, if he was Soze's close associate, as you claim, he should have ratted out mostly the mobsters in Soze's organization. Again, they don't say that. They say he ratted out 50 people and Soze. They could be mobsters belonging to different gangs with whom Marquez worked.
"Considering how much unconfirmed rumours there are about Soze, there's no way you can state as a fact that he's Turkish. Singer himself already pointed out the cigarette box on Rabin's desk, which served as an inspiration for Verbal's story about Soze's family in Turkey. So at least part of it is utter BS."
Ok, let's assume he's not Turkish. This doesn't change the fact that he's not American. He wasn't born on US soil. The guy is a foreign criminal, most likely coming from Eastern Europe. Verbal Kint is an American criminal with an extensive crime record. He has no ties whatsoever with Soze's ethnic roots. Still, the evidence that he's Soze is quite weak. It's much more likely, for the reasons that I previously explained, that Kint is Soze's right arm in the United States.
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Stratego (30510)
2 years ago
"They could be mobsters belonging to different gangs with whom Marquez worked."
The movie never tells us who those 50 people are or how many mobsters are part of Soze's organization. It doesn't even matter, Marquez knows his identity and has intimate knowledge of his business. He's a very close associate, NOT an enemy.
"This doesn't change the fact that he's not American. He wasn't born on US soil."
That's not a fact at all.
"Verbal Kint is an American criminal with an extensive crime record."
What makes you think he isn't a fake persona? Did you miss how much influence Soze has? He easily could've planted a file on him.
"Still, the evidence that he's Soze is quite weak."
The only evidence points to Verbal being Soze. Every single character concludes the shooter was Soze himself. If the writer believed, like you, that Soze would leave it up to a henchman, someone in the movie would've mentioned this.
"It's much more likely, for the reasons that I previously explained, that Kint is Soze's right arm in the United States."
There is absolutely zero evidence for that, but if you want to believe that, go right ahead.
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Carlo (86)
2 years ago
"The movie never tells us who those 50 people are or how many mobsters are part of Soze's organization. It doesn't even matter, Marquez knows his identity and has intimate knowledge of his business. He's a very close associate, NOT an enemy."
This is not in the movie. There is not even a hint about Marquez being a close associate to Soze. It's your assumption and it's not based on what we see in the movie.
"What makes you think he isn't a fake persona? Did you miss how much influence Soze has? He easily could've planted a file on him."
Verbal Kint is a fake persona? Police knew him for years. He was an infamous con artist. He was in jail for fraud and other scams. So you're telling me that Vint/Kayser Soze is so powerful that he sacrificed himself and spent several time in jail to protect his identity? Come on man, listen to yourself..BTW, what about the risks of being wacked in jail? Even if Kint is Soze he couldn't use his real identity to protect himself. It simply doesn't add up..
"The only evidence points to Verbal being Soze. Every single character concludes the shooter was Soze himself. If the writer believed, like you, that Soze would leave it up to a henchman, someone in the movie would've mentioned this."
Wasn't Marquez the only one in the boat who knew Soze's real identity? It's not true that every single character concludes that the shooter was Soze himself. Where did you see that?? McManus doesn't say it nor does Hockney (Pollak). The only one who says it is Keaton but he couldn't know for sure. He only realized that Kint double crossed him and the others but he has no way to know if Kint was just another associate who was working for Soze. There's no solid evidence that proves that Kint is Soze, but if you want to believe it, do it..
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Stratego (30510)
2 years ago
"This is not in the movie. There is not even a hint about Marquez being a close associate to Soze. It's your assumption and it's not based on what we see in the movie."
You insist Kobayashi is Soze when it's never even suggested, but have trouble accepting something that's very much implied? Only a close associate would have "intimate knowledge" of his business and know his true identity. Soze would not let an enemy get that close, especially not a petty smuggler.
"Police knew him for years."
Did you see any cop who claimed to personally know him? Kujan sure didn't, he just read his file. Maybe Kint was a real criminal, but a totally different guy and Soze made him disappear and changed the mugshots in his file. There are all kinds of explanations.
"Where did you see that??"
You really did not pay attention, did ya? The Hungarian in the hospital, Kujan, Keaton, Marquez, Verbal (when he claimed it was Keaton). Please, McManus and Hockney were dead before they even realized there was another shooter.
"There's no solid evidence that proves that Kint is Soze"
Lol, says the person who believes Kobayashi is Soze when it's not even hinted at.
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Carlo (86)
2 years ago
"You really did not pay attention, did ya? The Hungarian in the hospital, Kujan, Keaton, Marquez, Verbal (when he claimed it was Keaton). Please, McManus and Hockney were dead before they even realized there was another shooter."
Marquez is the only person who knew how Soze looked like. The Hungarian in the hospital described the shooter's identity but he only assumed that the guy was Soze. He couldn't know! Kujan doesn't conclude that the shooter is Soze. He only runs in the street because he realized that Kint told him a bs story. It's really a waste of time. You don't analyze things based on a objective point of view. You make up things that are not in the movie in order to sustain your theory. Besides, I never said that there's irrefutable evidence that Kobayashi is Soze. I explained my theory with the points that back it. On the other hand, you explained yours, which, IMHO, is quite weak. Anyway, no problem. Believe what you want and have a good day.
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Stratego (30510)
2 years ago
Lol, are you pretending to be a troll now just to save face? Kujan says this in the movie:
"He used all of you to get him on that boat.
He couldn't get on alone.
He had to pull the trigger himself
to make sure he got his man.
The one man that could identify him."
Multiple characters in the movie conclude that Soze himself got onboard to shoot Marquez. Sure, they are assumptions, but NO ONE assumes or even suggests Kobayashi is Soze. The writer is trying to drive home a point and it ain't the idea that Kobayashi is Soze.
"You make up things that are not in the movie in order to sustain your theory."
Sweetie, your whole theory that Kobayashi is Soze is completely made up. You have no points to back that up, because I refuted them all. There is no objectivity in your argument. What IS objective is that multiple people say the shooter is Soze and then we get a sketch that resembles Verbal. Nothing about that points to Kobayashi being Soze. I mean, Keaton could just as well be Soze.
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Carlo (86)
2 years ago
You refuted nothing. Seriously, stop taking drugs. You will start to understand movies and reality much better. Now you can go and jerk off watching a porn movie. That's the best you can do at this moment.
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