Something I don't get.. Plot hole? - The Usual Suspects (1995) Discussion

[–] jbaddock 11 years ago

That's true if Verbal actually is Soze - there's enough room for doubt about that (the man Kovash describes is the one who was doing all the killing on the ship - doesn't mean to say it was Soze, or even Verbal - there's more than a resemblance to Kobayashi as well in the image). Kujan clearly thinks Verbal was Soze, but that was quite possibly what Verbal wanted him to believe all along - he knows that all Kujan has to do is look at the wall and his whole story unravels - which is what he wants.

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[–] Stratego 11 years ago

His face is not important, even when the police thought Keaton was Soze they didn't believe he was going to show up again if he was still alive. Marquez had intimate knowledge of his business. This would destroy his criminal empire and certainly put him in jail.

And Verbal didn't reveal anything. All Kujan found out was that he told a big bunch of lies. It was the fax that revealed he was the gunman, and Verbal knew nothing about the Hungarian's survival.

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[–] dim_sum11 11 years ago

Well given his immunity and influence over the mayor and governor etc... I think it could be a safe bet to assume Verbal was Soze the whole time. Plus "Kobyashi" picked him up.

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[–] Stratego 11 years ago

I think his point is that, technically, "Kobayashi" could also have been Soze.

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[–] Cradocus 11 years ago

Actually the stupid part is that Keyser - the super rich criminal's plan to take down the boat/witness, is an elaborate scheme to use 4 guys and a couple machine guns.

Maybe you know, he could have just hired a few goons with a rocket launcher and some grenades.

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[–] Stratego 10 years ago

Maybe you know, he could have just hired a few goons with a rocket launcher and some grenades.

That would have immediately pointed to Keyser Soze, though. He wanted to sell it to the police as a dope deal gone wrong, so that wouldn't have worked.

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[–] Nikon11 10 years ago

You can also go with the theory that Soze still held a grudge, and used this mission to dispose of people who stole from him in the past. Well, that's only if that part of Verbal's story/flashback is true.

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[–] Stratego 10 years ago

I think that's a possibility. He could have disposed of them in a different way though, but I guess he just figured he could use them for this mission and also put police on the wrong track that way.

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[–] Nikon11 10 years ago

It's why I love this movie. There's still so much to think and talk about, after almost 20 years.

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[–] Stratego 10 years ago

Very true and I've been visiting this board for years.

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[–] mail-2217 10 years ago

This is a completely valid criticism. It's like many b-movie film noires. There really is no point to -any- of it if you think too hard. Verbal doesn't have to sit down for the interview. Verbal doesn't need to do -anything-, really.

It's a movie.

But I don't say that with disdain. I -love- this movie. If movies were like life, they'd be too dismal to watch.

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[–] niklasholz 10 years ago

He thought his plan was perfect and nobody knew ha was kaizor

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 10 years ago

Keyser screws up. He doesn't realize that a) one of the Hungarians survived the explosion and can identify him and b) that Kujan will realize that he invented many of the details of the story and conclude that he's Keyser Soze. While the film portrays Soze as a master criminal, the guy isn't god. He needed the assistance of Dean Keaton and the others to get on the ship and he managed to get caught by the police as he fled the scene.

Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything.

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[–] drystyx 10 years ago

Because the name "Kaiser Soze" is itself not who he is. He is Satan. "Kaiser" is derived from "Caesar", and is merely the Hungarian's word for the ruler of Hell.

Keaton and his girlfriend infringed on the copyright of Satan, and imagined themselves bigger than Satan. It's the reverse of the God complex, and much more common, since it's easier to imagine being a perfect evil than a perfect good.

The clues are there throughout as Keaton practically boasts about being a super Satan, and his lawyer girlfriend is obviously worse, and also she's obviously the brains. She has a bigger "Satan" complex than Keaton does. It's her that ultimately is in the office of the devil, trying to seal the deal, being outwitted the entire way.

Think of the movie as a mirror image to her story. It's showing what happens behind the scenes in her deal with the devil.

But you can't deal with the Devil.

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time

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[–] Duluume 10 years ago

... ok... huh?

I'm sure that you put a lot of thinking coming to this conclusion, but I honestly don't see anything else but gibberish in your analysis.

Don't take it wrong: I'm not trolling nor am I willingly agressif, but I just don't get the whole Satan thing as well as the role of Keaton's girlfriend ni your mind.

Cheers

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[–] king_of_bob 10 years ago

So the point of the boat job was to kill the one guy who had seen Kaizer but then Kaizer basically reveals who he is to the cops at the end anyway, so what was the point?

It was many birds with one stone. Each of the "Suspects" had wronged Soze at some point in their career. So he gathered them all together to help him eliminate a witness and at the same time give him the opportunity to take out each of the "Suspects."

And he doesn't reveal who he really is to the cops. They might suspect that the guy they were talking to is Soze, but they don't actually KNOW it.

Not to mention, knowing a persons face and being able to actually find them anywhere in the world are two VERY different things.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

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[–] StakkaDakka 9 years ago

good points

the other suspects, like Saul Berg, were competitors to Soze and having them all out of the way is just good for business

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