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Ryback vs Penn was quite one sided

posted 14 years ago by Sam_Fisher_Agent_47
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The whole movie was brewing down to a fight between these two, so it was pretty disappointing that Penn only got 1 or 2 shots in. Seagal totally dominated the fight from start to finish and never looked to be in any real danger. I think they could've made it go for a bit longer and and it could've ended in more of an 'action' way, as opposed to just a neck break, like some kind of impaling or Penn being thrown out the window onto into the area way down below the bridge. Just my 2 cents.

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[–] asgard-5 14 years ago

My guess is that Everett McGill was scared of Steve and probably refused to do more elaborate stuff. As far as I know he can't really fight, all he got is the face. It's not really a huge letdown, since the movie has a nice pace overall and Steve's escape from collision after the final fight is somewhat exciting as opposed to what could've been had the fight been more brutal.

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[–] taijiquan12 14 years ago

You both must be kidding. In a Steven Seagal movie you expected a fair and even fight?

I was shocked that he even got kicked. Most of the fight was the same shot of Seagal chopping and whooshing at the air in the same re-used footage. I also love that in both movies, Seagal was in a knife fight, this one with a pro (in the movie) and managed to not get scratched!

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[–] ThingyBlahBlah3 14 years ago

My guess is that Everett McGill was scared of Steve and probably refused to do more elaborate stuff.

That makes even less sense than the screenplay for 'The Foreigner 2'. If they wanted an actor who could do elaborate fight stunts and keep up with Seagal, they would have hired one. They did NOT write the climax of an expensive Steven Seagal vehicle around the limitations of the guy playing the chief henchman.

Why is the final fight so one-sided? For the same reason that EVERY final fight in every Seagal movie is so one-sided: because Seagal is an egomaniac who can't stand the thought of looking less than perfect for even one second. And since he's the money man (i.e., Producer), he gets his way. That's it. It's got absolutely nothing to do with his martial arts skills or anything else.

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[–] BubbaFish 14 years ago

Wrong pinhead. Seagal agreed to make this picture if Warner Bros let him direct On Deadly Ground. It's no wonder they were in control of all his movies and besides it's absolutely accurate that Penn would be scared of Steven because in reality he's an Aikido Master that can do dangerous stuff if not careful. Steven is a perfectionist and strives to make his movies as perfect as he can trouble is Hollywood people have no clue how to make a good action movie without including sex scenes and the liberal agenda into the movies. But when you have a guy like Steven who focus on the life and death aspect and making the action scenes as realistic as possible then yes of course they won't take risks and hire bunch of stunt men and make it look ridiculous.

[–] ThingyBlahBlah3 14 years ago

Bubba... man, you're beautiful. 100%.

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[–] enzo_Q 13 years ago

actually I saw a documentary ("The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing" on the Bullitt 2 DVD edition) where the editor of US2 stated that Seagal was micromanaging even the editing of the fight scenes! I like SS a lot but he IS an egomaniac control freak and both the final fight scenes of US1 and US2 should have been longer.

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[–] vestdennis 12 years ago

Seagal isn't gonna make a movie in which he gets beat up. maybe early in his career but not later when he had more control on fight scenes. Of course the guy could have done better, IF Seagal had wanted it that way. I mean, taking down 20+ terrorists on a train is silly enough already...