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I'm not getting the appeal....


Why are people enamored by this movie? I don't get my kicks going onto message boards and bashing movies people enjoy but this one has me baffled; Let me explain...

For one I didn't find there to be anything particularly science fictiony about the movie...If the cerebral recorder machines would have just simply been elaborate video cameras that fit on a persons head, the story would not have changed at all. It just makes me feel like it was a total gimmick as it was used for nothing more than revealing plot details visually. There was a couple talks about dealing in pieces of people and all that but none of it had anything to do with the rest of the film. And the sort of post apocalyptic impression that it seems to be going for did nothing but confuse me. One minute I thought the world was supposed to be at the end times (or some science fiction cliche like that) and the next Lenny is getting his car repossessed; What I'm saying is I was never sure how far away if at all this world was supposed to be from our own.

For two the characters were either unbelievable or unlikable and most the time both. Lenny reveals himself to be a swindler and loser and I never got the feeling he did anything to overcome that even by films conclusion. He was occasionally funny but that's about the only likable thing about him. I think Ralph Fiennes is a great actor but a great actor can only do so much for a poorly written character.

Faith is even worse. She doesn't seem to have any particular motive to act the way she does at the films conclusion not to mention her interactions with Lenny are a bit exhausting to say the least. How many "What do you want Lenny?" is enough to get the point that she's not into him anymore...I got it around the third time he busted in on her.

Lastly is the horrible pacing. Some scenes seemed to go on forever. I think the film literally gets to it's second hour before it even attempts to deal with its disjointed and convoluted plot. I'm down with a two and half hour film that needs two and half hours to tell its story...The Godfather needs two and half hours to tell it's story; Strange Days could have done it as ineffectively in one and half.

It just makes me want to vomit seeing people compare Strange Days to Blade Runner, a movie with a coherent plot that deals with the science fiction themes it introduces and who's setting is clear and picture perfect; Not to mention believable characters with clearly defined motives.

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It's one of those films that sounds good, if you read about it. It has all the ingredients of a good film and should have been monumentally brilliant. But the end result is just... meh. It wallows on the screen and doesn't amount to much. Individual bits of it are great, but it's less than the sum of its parts, and so it has a certain kind of romantic appeal. The romantic appeal of the heroic failure, the underdog. With some tweaks it could have been great. Angela Bassett starring in a kind of proto-The Matrix, but set in our world. With lots of guns. No Ralph Fiennes being wet. Not Juliette Lewis. No.

And it's the ultimate "twenty minutes into the future" film, too. It feels like a throwback to the near-future sci-fi of the 1980s, Robocop and Max Headroom and all of those protocyberpunk "America is taken over by Japan" films. Except that it's infinitely better than Johnny Mnemonic, for example, and much less campy than Hackers. Has more mainstream appeal than Hardware or the Tetsuo films. Shorter than Until the End of the World. Will be useful as a historical document in the future, to show people who Juliette Lewis was.

As for Blade Runner, it looks wonderful, it has a definite mood, Rutger Hauer is magnetic and there's a poignant air. But it doesn't half go on. It feels as if there's a middle act missing and ultimately the characters are flat as a pancake, except for Hauer and the prematurely aged robot technician, and that's only because of the inherent charm of the actors. Insert more analysis here.

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I agree with you that Strange Days has the ingredients to be more than it was. I wished the plot focused more on the actual experience of feeling what others do instead of the racial thing. And your right about Juliette Lewis as well, although I think she's been much better in other roles (Natural Born Killers).

I disagree with your assessment of Blade Runner though... Yes, Harrison Ford does appear a little flat but I think that is intentional. The replicants were meant to be more human than human and the humans more robotic.

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No, it wasn't intentional. Harrison Ford is simply a bad actor. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Ford is a fine actor with incredible movie star charm, but Ridley Scott and the screenwriters made Deckard quite possibly the most dull and disengaging protagonist ever put on film.

Fortunately Blade Runner gets by on atmosphere and Batty. Of the two films, though, Strange Days has by far the most sympathetic main character.

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This is a perfect summary of my opinion on the film. I didn't like it, I didn't hate it; I did, however, find it very long. I think it would have been a better film if you shaved off 20-30 minutes from the run time.

I felt like I was watching a sanitized Blade Runner/Existenz mish-mash.

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This movie was WAY more impacting when I first saw it in '96-'98 sometime. Before 2000 this movie was a lot more interesting, but also, watching it now, grown and such, it is not what I remember it.

It seems bland now, and I wish I didn't feel this way, but I do. When I was younger, I LOVED this movie, and therefore, really excited to see it on Netflix recently... but then I watched it. It's still good to me (nostalgia) but other than that, I can see where you come from. Fiennes is great, so is Vincent D'onofrio, and the movie is sub par, but if you had seen it in the time it was meant for, you would probably like it more.

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He realizes the shell of an existence he been living since being fired from Vice and loosing Faith. It not until the last minute that he finally requited his love to Mace. He was finally ready to move on with his life.

Faith decision to save Lenny life was possibly the small part of her that wasn't compromised by chasing her dream of musical stardom. Lenny was the only one who ever truly cared about her. Both Max and Philo basically saw her as a sex object.

TERRIERS R.I.P.

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I think this film is a perfect sci fi film. Being set not too far into future at the time it was made, it was smart not to have it contain too much sci-fi like elements like flying cars etc.

I also appreciate other types of sci-fi like Bladerunner (love the look of that film, totally legendary) but for this type of film I think Strange days was done right.

The characters were interesting I thought, I dunno I guess it partly depends on what kind of sci-fi rocks your socks. It was surely risky to do the film the way it was done as it was not the norm for such films but I think it paid off in terms of quality. Sadly I can't say the same for the box office.

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Lastly is the horrible pacing. Some scenes seemed to go on forever. I think the film literally gets to it's second hour before it even attempts to deal with its disjointed and convoluted plot. I'm down with a two and half hour film that needs two and half hours to tell its story...The Godfather needs two and half hours to tell it's story; Strange Days could have done it as ineffectively in one and half.


Exactly. I didn't dislike the movie, but it ground on and on and on without covering much ground. The lengthy recapitulation by the Sizemore character at the end didn't help much, either, although the makers must have felt a detailed explanation was needed.

The thing is it wasn't that difficult a story to tell. Corrupt cops (now there's a novel idea - anyway, it's easy for audiences to deal with) are busted by a new investigative tool, that SQUID thing. I think those who do get the appeal were willing to let it play out at its own pace.

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Xoddie posted this. My reply to each of his or her paragraphs are in (Parenthesis):

"Why are people enamored by this movie? I don't get my kicks going onto message boards and bashing movies people enjoy but this one has me baffled; Let me explain...

(I wouldn't say enamored for myself, but I did enjoy it. I'd say the atmosphere of the film, it does IMO have a good somewhat cyberpunk/alt rock feel to it IMO)

For one I didn't find there to be anything particularly science fictiony about the movie...If the cerebral recorder machines would have just simply been elaborate video cameras that fit on a persons head, the story would not have changed at all. It just makes me feel like it was a total gimmick as it was used for nothing more than revealing plot details visually. There was a couple talks about dealing in pieces of people and all that but none of it had anything to do with the rest of the film. And the sort of post apocalyptic impression that it seems to be going for did nothing but confuse me. One minute I thought the world was supposed to be at the end times (or some science fiction cliche like that) and the next Lenny is getting his car repossessed; What I'm saying is I was never sure how far away if at all this world was supposed to be from our own.

(You're also ignoring that the setting is only 5 years in the future of when it was filmed. Would a film set in 2013 seem all that "Sci-Fi" if it was filmed in 2008? What is "sci-fi" about the film is that it's more of an alternate future where the racial tensions of the early 90's in LA like the Rodney King beating/arrest and then the beating of truck driver Reginald Denny escalated to greater and greater racial tension. There's also the fears that were starting to hit about the year 2000, the y2k computer crashes (that never happened) and so forth, in the mid 90's to 1999 there were some people whom were concerned with that. The the script played with those tropes. Or the tl;dr: It's sci-fi due to being a near future alternate history at least at the time of filming, not due to any fantastic technology, the SQUID recorder not withstanding)

For two the characters were either unbelievable or unlikable and most the time both. Lenny reveals himself to be a swindler and loser and I never got the feeling he did anything to overcome that even by films conclusion. He was occasionally funny but that's about the only likable thing about him. I think Ralph Fiennes is a great actor but a great actor can only do so much for a poorly written character.

(He was playing a 90's grunge version of a burned out cop gone bad. That and he does redeem himself to a degree by dropping his obsession with Faith and finally figuring out that a much more decent person, Mace cares about him. That and well, does Lenny Nero need to be a shiny happy person at the end? He had just figured out that maybe Faith wasn't worth it. To have him suddenly be all squeaky clean would be unbelivable. So I have to disagree, he wasn't poorly written if you can accept that him, and most or all of the characters are meant to be grungy and dark, not squeaky clean)

Faith is even worse. She doesn't seem to have any particular motive to act the way she does at the films conclusion not to mention her interactions with Lenny are a bit exhausting to say the least. How many "What do you want Lenny?" is enough to get the point that she's not into him anymore...I got it around the third time he busted in on her.

(Again he's obsessed with her and what they had. She isn't a likeable person, she's a user. Her motive is that she uses people to get what she wants. If her music career advanced past playing underground bars to playing large venues, I'm sure she would have dumped Philo for a large record label and not given him the time of day. She's pretty much a user, period. Again I think you're looking for "shiney happy" and well, no-one in this film is that.)

Lastly is the horrible pacing. Some scenes seemed to go on forever. I think the film literally gets to it's second hour before it even attempts to deal with its disjointed and convoluted plot. I'm down with a two and half hour film that needs two and half hours to tell its story...The Godfather needs two and half hours to tell it's story; Strange Days could have done it as ineffectively in one and half.

(It's been a while since I've seen this film, but pacing wasn't one of the things I remember disliking. I don't have much more to say so I'll just agree to disagree)

It just makes me want to vomit seeing people compare Strange Days to Blade Runner, a movie with a coherent plot that deals with the science fiction themes it introduces and who's setting is clear and picture perfect; Not to mention believable characters with clearly defined motives.

(I won't say it's as good as "Blade Runner", I do like that film more. But I do think both do show us their "world" and give us a feeling of what is happening in the "Strange Days Universe of 1999/2000" and the "Blade Runner Universe of 2019". Maybe look at it this way, if Lenny Nero was a former Blade Runner in 2019, he'd not only would have quit, but would be pushing drugs or working at a sleazy club as a bouncer or some sort. Deckard in the Strange Days 1999 setting would probably just be a private detective or trying to find a job that has nothing to do with being a cop, but not be all THAT sleazy (although IMO Deckard might be a heavy drinker, but that is another discussion)"

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I'm with you on this.
THen I noticed screenplay James Cameron - not surprised. I just don't get how this can get 7.2. It's a 5-6 at best.

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The appeal is you get to hang out with great characters in a 90’s slacker/grunge future-world with lots of cool moments and a great ending. The fact that luvvie-thesp Fiennes is the lead, playing a convincing washed-up LA dirtbag dealer, is constantly entertaining.

It’s a good film and compared to films made today it’s a fucking masterpiece.

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Thank you!!!!!!!!

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If I could only watch one movie, this or Blade Runner, I'd choose this over blade runner. 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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Totally. Blade Runner looks amazing but it’s BOOOORRRRIIINNNGGG!

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I don’t disagree with this at all! I’ve enjoyed both, but I’d say that I “like” Blade Runner whereas I “love” Strange Days.

I love the movie’s cinematography and direction, and I love the grungy, flawed attitudes of the characters. Strange Days is easily the more entertaining watch for me, and strokes more chords with me of the film noir anime that I tend to enjoy. I probably rewatch SD 5 times for every time I’m in the mood for BR.

I enjoy both, but would consider Strange Days as under appreciated. The 1st Person POV shots that are all over the movie were pretty revolutionary at the time. Super engaging movie for me, even today.

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