Marianne and Brandon


Love this beautiful film -- saw it three times in the theater in 1995 and have recently been binge-watching it on DVD. One question that I've always had specifically relates to the initial relationship between Marianne and Brandon. More specifically, how do you view Marianne's feelings toward Brandon before Willoughby enters the picture?

While I don't believe this is particularly consistent with the novel, I've always thought that she demonstrated some interest in Brandon early in the film. When they initially meet at Barton, she does seem to view him with some interest (certainly not the way she responded to her first encounter with Willoughby, but not indifferently either). I never could quite figure out her expressions during the reed-cutting scene. She glances back at him several times, but I cannot tell if she's annoyed or maybe just trying to sort out her feelings. And they seem to get on rather well during the scene where Mrs. Jennings reveals Brandon's past to Elinor, at least until Mrs. Jennings embarks on her "experiment."

While this is tangential, I also noticed that on my DVD, the scene with Marianne and Brandon reading poetry at the end is titled "Back In Favor" (or something along those lines), which also lead me to think that perhaps there was some intention to convey this idea.

Would love to hear your thoughts/insights!

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We see very clearly how Marianne viewed Brandon. She saw him an old man who needed a flannel waistcoat to keep out the draughts. Too old certainly to fall in love, or to fall in love with. She never disliked him, he was Sir John's friend and amiable enough, but not romantic materiel. Learning to appreciate Col. Brandon and fall in love him with was going to be a long process for Marianne.

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Thanks to both of you for sharing your thoughts. I definitely agree re: the novel -- there I thought I was 100% clear that Marianne had no interest in Brandon at the beginning. There were just a couple of things in the movie that made me wonder if perhaps Thompson was trying to tee up their ultimate marriage so it would seem more believeable? I don't want to make too much of the thought as I certainly don't think they would have been rushing off to the chapel if Willoughby hadn't shown up. And yes, I know I was stretching with the scene title. :)

I certainly wouldn't discount the assertion that Marianne was just being polite, either. All of her actions could be easily read this way as well. Just thought it was ambiguous enough that it might be worthy of some discussion.

Sassafras, I have read the novel, but I'll confess it has been quite a few years since I did so (pretty sure it was some time before the 1995 movie was released). I have not seen the 2008 adaptation. I think I saw the older one (late 70s/early 80s?) some time back but it obviously did not leave much of an impression. I don't know if I could name a single favorite Austen adaptation, but among the leaders (in no particular order) would be S&S (1995), Persuasion (1995), P&P (1995) and the most recent version of Emma (2009?). I also have a fondness for the Olivier/Garson version of P&P because that was the first Austen adaptation I saw.

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Thanks for the recommendation. S&S 2008 has been on my "to do" list for a while but I've never gotten around to watching it. I'll have to bump it up in the queue!

Yes, Persuasion 1995 is a wonderful film. Amanda Root is perfect and I've always enjoyed Hinds' portrayal of Wentworth. I'm due for another viewing of that one as well. :)

Okay, one more point on the issue I originally raised. I checked out Thompson's screenplay and found this in the direction for the scene where they are cutting the reeds:

EXT. POND NEAR BARTON PARK - DAY

In the background, SIR JOHN, ELINOR and MRS JENNINGS pack
the remains of a picnic into a basket. MRS DASHWOOD and
MARGARET examine a foxhole. In the foreground, MARIANNE is
cutting bulrushes for basketwork. Her knife is blunt and she
saws impatiently.

COLONEL BRANDON materialises at her side and wordlessly offers
her his hunting knife. Oddly nervous, MARIANNE takes it. She
turns back to the rushes and cuts them with ease. The
COLONEL's gaze follows her movements as if held by a magnet.


I now remember reading this a while back and the description of Marianne as "oddly nervous" caught my attention. Is this consistent with Marianne being indifferent to Brandon? Again, I am not arguing that she's in love with him, or even highly interested, but I think there's at least an argument that her feelings are unsettled. Now, if Marianne has not had significant experience interacting with men prior to this, it could be a more general reaction to having a man show interest in her.

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Thanks for the insights, Locus and Sassafras! I really like your thoughts on how to reconcile what we see in the screenplay and in the film itself.

Sassafras, it looks like we will have to part company on Rickman's Brandon, as I have always enjoyed his soulful performance. (I can, however, see where it would be off-putting for some.) Honestly, one of the reasons I have delayed in watching the 2008 adaptation is that many of the 1995 actors *are* the characters for me. I enjoyed WInslet's performance tremendously, especially seeing the arc of her growth. I know Emma Thompson takes some arrows for being too old as Eleanor, but for me she really nails Eleanor's essence. I found her character very easy to root for.

But I promise to give 2008 a fair shot. :)

Thanks again, everyone -- found this discussion very helpful and enlightening!

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gallantx, I will add a little to what summeriris has written about the 2008 adaptation. Both Colonel Brandon and Edward are very much, in screenwriter Andrew Davies' own words, "butched up." Brandon is, alas, as summeriris says, a completely rewritten character, he is assertive, even pushy; dashing, and as ready to throw propriety to the winds as even Marianne could wish. He towers over Willoughby, who is not particularly goodlooking, nor dashing, and is altogether so much more attractive a man that Marianne looks rather stupid not to prefer him immediately, and this diminishes her arc of growth, IMO. Edward is seen to be firmly setting his elder sister Fanny down on a number of occasions, which never happens in the novel, and is not consistent with the diffident character Austen wrote. Both Dan Stephens and David Morrissey make valiant efforts, but it isn't Austen, IMO.

I would note, though, that Hattie Morahan's Elinor is a truly lovely performance, though she has a tendency to go "deer in the headlights." I handwave that, personally, but it has been remarked. Great voice, too, like rich brandy. And Janet McTeer's Mrs. Dashwood is glorious. I think she is quite as fine as Gemma Jones, though Jones has my heart, as the first great Mrs. Dashwood I had seen. All the acting is decent at worst, most is better than that, and much is excellent.

I actually went and watched the first episode again last night, and found so many little errors of locution, proper address, manners generally, and so many modernisms of language, that I was very much distracted, and could not continue with the rest. This sort of apparent inattention to detail - note, I say "apparent" - gives me conniptions, but many don't mind that sort of thing at all.

I confess that, as much as I love Andrew Davies' 1995 "Pride and Prejudice," and his "Emma" of the following year, I do not care much for his treatment of Austen in the late 2000s ("Northanger Abbey" from 2007, and the 2008 S&S); the former two are astonishingly faithful (a tremendous feat, condensing "Emma" into less than 2 hours yet remaining so faithful to the material). The latter two play fast-and-loose with Austen, IMO, far less care to keep consistency with Austen's language in new-written dialogue, and waaaay too much prurience crammed in for my taste.

But I do think the adaptation well worth viewing, I would be sorry not to have seen it, and I will revisit, in doses, to watch again some of the wonderful acting.

Oh, right. So, she secretly trained a flock of sandflies.

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I feel I have to say something about 2008's S&S. As much as Sassafras loves this adaptation I have to admit I detest it. It's not the actors, they do their best and the cast is certainly attractive. But Andrew Davies' script completely distorts the Marianne and Brandon story arc while at the same time watering down the other story lines. For me he takes Brandon and turns him into a ridiculous Action-Man caricature of Brandon, complete with terrible dialogue. Poor David Morrisay, I never felt so sorry for a good actor in my life. The actors do a good enough job with the rubbish (IMO) they are given, it's just that what they are given is humourless rubbish. Coupled with poor sound editing and photography and really bad direction, I can't bring myself to watch it again. Just my opinion. There are two bright spots though, Hattie Morahan gives a good if somber performance and Daisy Haggard who plays Anne Steele is a delight.
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Interesting question. I think what we see, in the earlier scenes, is Brandon courting, not Marianne herself, but Marianne's good opinion, her friendship. She, for her part, is seen (I think), as finding herself liking him - up to a point - but not in a romantic way at all.

This, I think, is reasonably consistent with the novel; Marianne is said to have a regard for the Colonel, as a sensible, intelligent man, but she is certainly distressed at the motion of being paired with him, even in others' minds.

Marianne's "odd nervousness" in the reed scene, I think, is the result of a combination of gratitude, and wishing, perhaps, that it were not Brandon to whom she need be obliged. She is clearly not quite comfortable, though she is shown realizing just how much help a sharp knife can be. And he has laid no obligation on her, merely offered what would help, and effaced himself. But Marianne cannot lack the gratitude that is appropriate. Her feelings here are very mixed, IMO.

Oh, right. So, she secretly trained a flock of sandflies.

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Dissenting view here -- I think you were onto something. While it’s true that Marianne hasn’t the slightest romantic interest in Brandon before she falls ill, we see hints of qualities he has that she would, and does, admire, like when Brandon follows up Sir John’s prosaic response to Margaret’s queries about India with something more imaginative, even romantic: “The air is full of spices.” Sure, this is an easy trick straight from Screenwriting 101 -- get the audience on your hero’s side by letting him do something nice for a child 😝 -- but Marianne smiles as though she appreciates it, too. Interestingly, her reaction shot isn’t mentioned in the script.

Another thing I noticed after examining the screenplay online -- note it's surprisingly easy to find -- pertains to the bowling scene in the film. To put it simply, it’s different from the script, which states: “Colonel Brandon is talking to Mrs. Dashwood. Occasionally he looks over towards Marianne, who is playing bilboquet with Sir John and Margaret.” Further along in this scene, Mrs. Jennings does bring up music, but Brandon’s strolling and chatting pleasantly with Marianne, which is how it plays in the film, must’ve been a later addition -- maybe intended to show a little genuine camaraderie between them before Mrs. Jennings inadvertently spoils it.

"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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Thanks for adding to the discussion, Raincrow. Their interaction during their initial meeting at Barton was one of the things that made me start to wonder about this issue. As you point out, Marianne does appear to appreciate Brandon's effort towards Margaret. There is, if I recall correctly, a moment where Marianne and Brandon are connected to one another after he talks to Margaret. It is very brief, and Brandon averts his eyes almost immediately. I think Marianne's general demeanor there is one of interest. I can't accurately describe it, but there is something in the way she acts as she rises from the pianoforte while Mrs. Jennings and Sir John are greeting Brandon. Whatever it is, I certainly would not call it indifferent.

It is very interesting to note the change in direction during the bowling scene as well. Perhaps they were trying to connect them a bit more? They seem to interact easily and comfortably until Mrs. Jennings interjects herself. Once she opens her mouth, Marianne pulls back, and here we see clearly that she does not view Brandon as romantic potential. It is one of the few positive interactions we see between them until the lovely scenes at end of the film. If they had proceeded with the screenplay as written, the only two significant interactions they would have had would have been the brief introductory scene at Barton and the reed-cutting scene (and, as other posters have aptly pointed out, there is really not much positive to glean from the reed-cutting scene). I can't help but think they felt they needed a little more foundation, perhaps knowing that they were going to be dropping a wedding on the audience at the end and needed some buy-in.

As I have been thinking about this issue and the more general point that Marianne married Brandon while merely "esteeming" him, I can't help but notice the irony of the conversation between Marianne and Elinor at Norland. Marianne teases Elinor about "greatly esteeming" and "thinking very highly" of Edward, but Marianne herself ends up marrying Brandon for these exact reasons. Another example of her growth through her experience with Willoughby.



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I remembered that Marianne smiles at “The air is full of spices,” but I’d forgotten -- or simply never noticed, I guess -- that Brandon returns her smile and makes brief eye contact with her. Interesting! I can see why he’d be quick to avert his gaze, this being such an emotional, embarrassing situation for him and all.

Marianne’s reaction is different; she just sees him as a potentially interesting neighbor whom she might like to know better. For a person who prides herself on always honestly expressing her feelings, though, this is significant. Think about it: She’s sullen and belligerent towards Fanny (“How did you find the silver, Fanny?” 😉), who, frankly, gives as good as she gets; she impatiently orders Edward to read Cowper in a manner more to her liking; she makes fun of Elinor’s reticence; she flees from noisy Mrs. Jennings and Sir John when they come to welcome the family; but she has no complaints whatever about Brandon until Mrs. Jennings tries to play matchmaker.

Alan Rickman did a great job playing a reserved, lovelorn man who, though he may try to appear stoic, can’t quite manage to mask his vulnerability. I like how when he is around Marianne, he often seems slightly nervous -- ever the warm, courteous gentleman, but cautious and fearful of being too forward with her. We see this in that little moment you noticed when they first meet, and he feels he must avert his eyes. I think there’s another hint of it at the end, when they are leaving the church arm-in-arm. Brandon, to me, appears a little nervous compared to Marianne. He turns to look at her, and she turns towards him immediately with a huge smile, which momentarily flusters him. But it also seems to give him new confidence. It’s like he receives unspoken reassurance of her affection. Feel free to inform me that I’m reading too much into this tiny moment. 😝


"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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Raincrow, good points about Marianne's lack of restraint when calling out people and actions she does not care for. Like you, I think the pivotal moment in their early acquaintance is when Mrs. Jennings starts playing matchmaker. Marianne finds Brandon interesting, I think, and someone with whom she could be friends, but when the talk turns to romance, she balks.

I have always loved that look between them when they exit the church. I had not thought of Marianne almost being the anchor there, but it is a lovely thought. I may just have to watch that scene again!

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Well, in the book, she thinks he’s a just a boring old bachelor, but she respects him for having the courtesy to pay attention to her music. 😝 I think she shows a bit more interest in him early on -- as her friend -- in the film. Given her usual intolerance and lack of restraint, if she disapproved of him, even on the smallest of matters, everyone would know… and they eventually do. 😉

To reiterate, it means something to me that it’s not Brandon himself that Marianne objects to, but the idea of being romantically paired with him. This is reasonably close to Austen’s conception of the character as an extremely nice, cautious man whose age and serious disposition prevent him from being seen by Marianne as a potential husband. I must say, I’m not crazy about his characterization -- or Marianne’s actions towards him -- in the 2008 version. It’s a bad sign when Marianne almost immediately creates antagonism between herself and him. She takes umbrage at a comment he makes and concludes from it that he’s a disagreeable man. It feels like an out-of-place pseudo-Lizzy-and-Darcy dynamic, which, bizarrely, dissipates very soon afterwards when Marianne changes her mind and decides she’d like to be his friend after all. Then she becomes the target of Mrs. Jennings’ teasing, and she’s back to being angry. Really, that version of Marianne seemed downright capricious.

Kate Winslet’s Marianne I do love, though. I agree that she becomes a sort of anchor to those around her, which is interesting, because Elinor and Brandon, I think, have served as anchors for her, too. But emotional support comes in many forms, and who isn’t delighted to see this clearly sensitive, intelligent young woman cast off her childishness and finally grow into the wise, thoughtful person we all knew she could be?


"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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Raincrow, regarding your "anchor" comment, I would add that one of my favorite scenes with Marianne is when Edward arrives at the cottage. It is Marianne who quickly helps Elinor remove her apron and then works to settle Margaret into an activity on the couch. It is Marianne who initially responds to Edward when Elinor and Mrs. Dashwood are tongue-tied. After Edward sits, Marianne initiates the conversation, which Mrs. Dashwood is then able to pick up and continue. We see Mrs. Dashwood look to Marianne after Elinor begins to cry (as an aside, ET is lovely here) and Marianne initiates their move outside. I love how she sends Maragaret up in the treehouse for reconnaissance, and that even though Mrs. Dashwood professes to be shocked, you can tell she is really rather appreciative.

And once we learn that Edward is "kneeling down," we see Marianne's joy for her sister -- another example of her growing maturity. When compared to the discussion she had with Elinor about Edward at Norland, you can tell that she has learned to recognize what makes Elinor happy and is in turn truly happy for her.

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Raincrow, regarding your "anchor" comment, I would add that one of my favorite scenes with Marianne is when Edward arrives at the cottage. It is Marianne who quickly helps Elinor remove her apron and then works to settle Margaret into an activity on the couch. It is Marianne who initially responds to Edward when Elinor and Mrs. Dashwood are tongue-tied. After Edward sits, Marianne initiates the conversation, which Mrs. Dashwood is then able to pick up and continue. We see Mrs. Dashwood look to Marianne after Elinor begins to cry (as an aside, ET is lovely here) and Marianne initiates their move outside. I love how she sends Maragaret up in the treehouse for reconnaissance, and that even though Mrs. Dashwood professes to be shocked, you can tell she is really rather appreciative.

And once we learn that Edward is "kneeling down," we see Marianne's joy for her sister -- another example of her growing maturity. When compared to the discussion she had with Elinor about Edward at Norland, you can tell that she has learned to recognize what makes Elinor happy and is in turn truly happy for her.


^^ All of this! ☺ Your comment here perfectly communicates one of the reasons that Kate Winslet’s performance works so well, particularly when compared with Charity Wakefield’s. Though I love the 1995 Pride and Prejudice, I’m not enough of an Andrew Davies fan to attempt to rationalize the problems with Marianne’s character development in that 2008 Sense and Sensibility adaptation. Wakefield’s Marianne is sweet -- much milder and sweeter, on the whole, than Winslet’s Marianne -- but also rather insipid. Her emotions vacillate back and forth for no discernable reason, her occasional outbursts are too quickly smoothed over, and she is easily pacified, almost like a child. She is silly, very sweet, and doesn’t undergo any substantial personal growth that I can see.

Marianne isn’t meant to be silly. Winslet’s Marianne is many things -- headstrong, self-assured, heedless, and perhaps less instantly likable than Wakefield -- but not silly. She has passion and conviction, so even if you don’t agree with her worldview (and most of the time, I don’t), you at least understand where she’s coming from; she is an interesting character with motivations that make sense. When she has her epiphany, all of her passion is channeled into a new direction in accordance with her new understanding of life. She is the same person, only with a changed outlook.

As you say, this newfound maturity enables her to step up to support her family. She lifts the burden from Elinor’s shoulders, a bit, and provides a second reasonable voice to help lead the family -- because, goodness knows, her mother is ill-equipped to provide her daughters any real stability*. Elinor’s relief at learning that Edward is free -- and that her emotional distress is at an end -- is indeed very well acted. In spite of her British theatre, character-acting origins, Emma Thompson reminds me of many of the old Hollywood stars -- not a chameleon, but possessing enough skill, charisma, and relatability to render this moot. I would place Tom Hanks in the same category, aside from the British part. I am also convinced that Thompson is brilliant and likely has a genius-level IQ, but that’s a discussion for another time.

It would be nice if there were more scenes showing Marianne’s personal growth and changing feelings for Brandon, though in the case of the latter, what we do see is so much more conventionally romantic than the passage in the book that the frequent complaint on this site -- that the film’s treatment of this relationship simply isn’t “swoon worthy” enough -- strikes me as being particularly bizarre. The more cogent argument -- which my younger sister has used more than once -- would be that Brandon’s rescuing Marianne in a thunderstorm, reading thematically-significant poetry to her, and sending her a gift of music (thematically-significant music, at that) and an instrument fly in the face of Austen’s conception of the character as good, kind, and dependable, yet unexciting and definitely not a Romantic in any sense, his standard “tragic background” notwithstanding. The book gives no suggestion, for example, that he has a fondness for poetry or an aptitude for music. I think that Jane Austen might well have a conniption fit were she to see what modern adapters have made of her stories. 😉 I would be lying if I said that I didn’t find them terrifically entertaining, though.


* I feel like putting in a good word for Gemma Jones’ Mrs. Dashwood. True, she is totally impractical, but I really enjoy her character. She seems to be a deeply romantic woman who, prior to the death of her husband, never had to face the harsh realities of life and isn’t equipped to cope, though she gives a commendable effort. Marianne might’ve eventually been a similar situation herself if she had not grown so much as a person.


"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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When they initially meet at Barton, she does seem to view him with some interest (certainly not the way she responded to her first encounter with Willoughby, but not indifferently either). I never could quite figure out her expressions during the reed-cutting scene. She glances back at him several times, but I cannot tell if she's annoyed or maybe just trying to sort out her feelings. And they seem to get on rather well during the scene where Mrs. Jennings reveals Brandon's past to Elinor, at least until Mrs. Jennings embarks on her "experiment."

I don't think Marianne viewed Brandon with any romantic interest initially. I think when the first met, she showed perhaps a bit of curiosity. And in their later interactions, such as when the are playing lawn ball - she finds him pleasant, and seems to be comfortable in his company (in a friendly way), along with Margaret - that is until Mrs. Jennings embarrasses both of them.

As far as the reed cutting scene, she does appear to be unsettled - maybe perhaps the fact that he noticed her struggling with the reed made her wonder if he was paying more than a friendly attention to her. She was definitely in her own world, fighting with that blasted reed, and probably had no idea that someone was watching her and picked up on her frustration. I think her expression, and the way she looks back uncertainly could possibly convey a little embarrassment for her frustration being noticed. And it's also possible that she felt a bit conflict because she is on one hand, grateful for the knife, but she also may have felt some concern about the fact that Brandon was that aware of her.

As far as "back in favor" that makes sense to me. Because after Mrs. Jennings embarrasses them, Marianne makes a huge point of avoiding Brandon...to the point of rudeness. But once he saves her in the rainstorm...she genuinely appreciates him, and his friendship. Marianne's discomfort around Brandon has vanished, thank goodness! 😊

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I beieve there were also times when Willoughby would make fun of Brandon & Marrianne would laugh with him.

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Hi gallentx. I think you're right she does seem to like him, they share a love of music and she seems relaxed in his company. Although I think love is far from her mind she certainly doesn't dislike him. I always feel so sorry for Brandon when she and Marianne are having a nice time and then Mrs Jennings ruins the moment.

I think if they had spent more time together things may have turned out differently once Willoughby arrived.


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My thoughts are that you've got too much time on youre hands buddy. Get a life

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I agree with you to some extent...it was very obvious that Colonel Brandon had developed feelings for Marianne from the very beginning, but it was unrequited at first. I think Marianne did seem interested in Brandon in the beginning but in a different way, then she sort of distanced herself from him once she started to fall madly in love with Willoughby. However once she recovered from her heartbreak, her interest and respect towards Brandon deepened...but I don't think Marianne married Brandon out of true love though, although I don't doubt she really cared for Brandon and respected him greatly, but I don't think she was necessarily "in love" with him at that stage. I think she probably started to fall in love with him AFTER they got married, and not before.

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In the book, Brandon is clearly a man of sensibility, much like Marianne, but, importantly, he does not share Marianne’s interests in the way that Willoughby does, or claims to do. Granted, there’s a bit of ambiguity in the novel as to how much Willoughby truly appreciates the same books and music that Marianne does, but my interpretation is that, while Willoughby does rather transparently attempt to ingratiate himself with Marianne, he obviously enjoys literature and singing in general -- I don’t believe that he could have gained the knowledge he has of both without being genuinely interested in them to start with.

Jane Austen writes that Brandon simply listens attentively to Marianne’s music “without being in raptures” (Chapter 7), and there is no indication whatsoever that he is particularly knowledgeable about music or that he cares for it at the level that Marianne does. There is certainly no scene in the book of him entering Sir John’s house and becoming entranced by Marianne’s singing and playing, nor is there any mention of his being musically competent himself, nor does he send Marianne a piano. 😝😉 He evidently doesn’t have Willoughby’s very attractive voice (Chapter 9: “…he [Willoughby] apologized for his intrusion by relating its cause, in a manner so frank and so graceful that his person, which was uncommonly handsome, received additional charms from his voice and expression.”), either.

Austen did this intentionally; the entire point is that, while Brandon entirely lacks Willoughby’s natural charm, attractiveness, talents, and abilities, he is superior to Willoughby because of his good character. This contrast between the men is obscured, to some degree, in the 1995 film, which completely transfers Willoughby’s musical propensities to Rickman’s Brandon, who, while being much older than Marianne, very reserved, and a bit melancholy, also has great presence and an appealing voice (the late Alan Rickman was a more naturally charismatic actor than Greg Wise has ever been, despite how hard he worked to downplay that in the role of Brandon). It’s hardly surprising that Rickman was given poetry to read, and that the lines of the poem (“For there is nothing lost, but may be found, if sought”) reflect Marianne’s growing realization (in the film, at least) that, in Brandon, she has found the love she thought she had lost forever. In contrast, Austen has Marianne come to this understanding far later in the novel, in a short paragraph in the concluding chapter.

A lot of people seem to believe that this movie is very faithful to Austen, but it’s really not. This isn’t due solely to the omission of characters (Anne Steele, Lady Middleton, etc.) and a few key scenes (Willoughby’s confession, for one) and the alteration and oversimplification of various plot points (for example, in the book, Austen makes a point of telling us that the older Mr. Dashwood ungratefully ignores Mrs. Dashwood and her daughters, choosing instead to leave his fortune to John and Fanny’s toddler son; Brandon had an older brother to whom Eliza was married; and Eliza was rich rather than poor as she was in the film) -- it is also noticeable in how the film (mis)interprets Austen’s themes and messages. I don’t think Austen believed that a husband and wife necessarily needed to share each other’s recreational interests in order to be happy -- or, at least, she doesn’t place any importance on it in S&S. What she does emphasize is the value of strong character, loyalty, and virtue. Significantly, in her novels, the caddish and unworthy male characters (such as Willoughby, Wickham, Henry Crawford, and, to a somewhat lesser degree, Frank Churchill) tend to be extremely charming, charismatic, and talented, far more so than the heroes. Frederick Wentworth in Persuasion and Henry Tilney in Northanger Abbey are the exceptions to this, since they are both heroes but also possess a great deal of charm and talent.



"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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yeah I had figured that some details from the original novel had been changed for the film, I expected that because whenever a movie is made that is an adaption of a novel, filmmakers tend to change some things. I've never read the original novel but I'm sure it probably dives deeper into the story and is more explanatory...but just based on the film alone, I think the story was pretty straightforward for me and easy to follow, even with all the changes.

This film is 1 of my all-time favorites and 1 of the highlights about this for me personally, is the coupling of Marianne & Brandon, even though I really hated Marianne's coldness towards Brandon after she started dating Willoughby, but I think that's partially due to Willoughby's bad influence on her. I'm so glad Marianne turned around and came to her senses in the end and chose Brandon.

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The novel is very good. It’s much more complicated and bitingly satirical than the film.

I’ve thought a bit more about why certain aspects of this film seem “wrong” to me, even though I still enjoy them. It seems clear to me that Austen thought it was important for a married couple to share the same values and outlook on life, and to respect each other. In Pride and Prejudice, Mr. Darcy does not get together with Elizabeth until he learns to genuinely respect her as a person and Elizabeth learns to respect and value him. In Austen’s novels, esteem and respect are viewed as essential to a healthy marriage, and characters who marry merely for infatuation and lust (which are basically the reasons for Mr. Bennet’s marriage in P&P, as well as Mr. Palmer’s marriage in the book -- in the film, though, it seems more like he was just extremely foolish and mercenary) are harshly criticized.

I should probably backtrack a bit to say that I don’t think this 1995 adaptation completely misinterprets Austen’s message; it fairly accurately presents Austen’s theme of valuing esteem, respect, and practicality, but it mixes that with what I think is a far more modern notion: that two people in a relationship need to share interests and spend plenty of “quality time” with each other. In the early nineteenth century, the social spheres and day-to-day activities of men and women in Austen’s class overlapped considerably less than they do today. Several scenes in this 1995 film (as well as in many other Austen adaptations, to be fair) would probably have been very unlikely in real life, let alone in Austen’s imagination. For example, I doubt that Austen would have envisioned Brandon reading poetry to Marianne; she might well have imagined him reading aloud to the entire Dashwood family -- after all, her own family had a tradition of reading aloud to one another. However, in S&S and other writings, she generally took pleasure in skewering the private, “romantic” tête-à-tête between lovers (her commentary on Marianne and Willoughby’s relationship is a perfect example of this). Granted, Brandon and Marianne are watched by Mrs. Dashwood and Elinor in the film, so their interaction isn't entirely private, but it's pretty darn close.

But, of course, over two hundred years later, we want to see couples bonding over shared interests, poetry readings, spending time entertaining children (as Edward does with Margaret in this film), and so forth. 😉 It’s not at all a bad thing, but I do think that it is a very modern notion that would have been alien to Austen.



"Courage is found in unlikely places." ~ The Fellowship of the Ring, J.R.R. Tolkien

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