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Was he gay or what?


I understand the writer/director of the film, Victor Salva has a past history of homo-erotic themes or whatever you want to call them in his movies, but what's the deal with Powder? He kissed that girl at the picnic table and seemed to like her but the scene with him and Jeff Goldblum's character touching and the scene where POwder's checking out that guy in the gym seem to overshadow what feelings Powder may have had for the girl. If anyone can help me out I'd appreciate it.

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He wasn't "gay" or "straight." As a matter of fact, I don't think that any specific society label was supposed to be put on him. He was just Powder... He wasn't "checking" the guy out in the gym. He was seeing what he would look like had he been born normal.

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Also, bear in mind that the writer/director of the film is a convicted pedophile. I imagine a lot of the gratuitious "wet shirtless boys" scenes can be chalked up to that.

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you're a *beep* idiot.

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not really. check the trivia. victor salva served a year in prison for being a convicted pedophile. the poster before you isn't making blind accusations.

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The characters in this movie were hardly boys.

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he was straight u dumb ass the reason why he was looking at the guy in the gym was because he was looking at the water

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...why would he be looking at the water? you really shouldnt call people dumbasses i dont think i need to tell you why

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Noooo, he wasn't looking at the water, he was looking at the guy because he had hair...hair on his head, hair in his armpits. He had color. He was normal. All Powder ever really longed for. To be normal. A fabulous, fabulous movie. The acting was great. Jeff Goldblum is one of my all-time favorite actors and Sean Patrick Flannery was incredible. I just love him.

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Yes he was looking at the guys body hair becasue he never had hair.

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Freddievanhalen3...you've got to be the biggest dumbA S S on this site if you think like this and talk to people like this.
Grow up you HICK.

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"He kissed that girl at the picnic table and seemed to like her"

That's because he did. And there I think you have the "like" in the sexual way.

"the scene where POwder's checking out that guy in the gym"

He probably admired him since he saw the body of a regular human. Something he would've liked to be (I'm referring to him saying that the worst day in his life was the day he was born). It could just as well have been a woman. The point is that he'd probably like to be like everyone else.

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U guys, don't you get it?

Try to think like Powder for a minute and then look at that scene:

Powder never had hair (well, eylashes, btu they just couldn't shave those of for the movie) - and the guy he was starring it (i think Zane was his name) had long hair, which he was playing with. So i believe Powder was not tupposed to look at Zane in a homoerotic way, more in the 'jealious kind' way, because Zane had those long hair...

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Yeah, you're right, he just wanted to be normal. I didn't think about it that way because of what I knew about the director's past and the imagery during the scene; it seemed out of place with the rest of the film in a way. It just struck me as strange how the movie was building up as a heartwarming tale and then all of a sudden there's this blatant slow-mo, "male watering himself down" scene. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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No, he wasn't gay or straight or bi. He doesn't really seem to have felt sexual attraction. In the scene with the girl it was about sharing emotion and thought, the clasping of hands ("holy palmers' kiss" from Romeo & Juliet Act I) was as important as the physical kissing. Actually more important.

With Zane (if that was his name)--well, Zane is the epitome of everything Powder isn't and would like to be--Normal. He has friends, he can do physical things without fear, he looks normal and is accepted, even revered for his physical prowess. Powder has been isolated by his abilities and unusual characteristics and has never known companionship or friendship. It wasn't lust. There was a touch of admiration and a touch of envy in it, but there was nothing but pity once Powder saw inside the kid's mind.

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You were right on one thing.... that was a gratuitous "slo-mo" shot the director obviously liked and didn't mind hitting us over the head with.
After all, the mind-set of the other people involved was such that just the mere looking at the guy cooling off would have been enough.
The actual scene, shot as lovingly as it was, leaves ambiguous the question, was it admiration or lust.....
And just to clear it up, the guy was not playing with his hair, although, he did have the longest hair, he was cooling down by removing his shirt, holding it under cool water and squeezing it out over his head..... something we have all done in the middle of a pick-up game ;)

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I just could not understand why Powder went into the gym...what was the purpose of that scene at all? Those guys were not his friends at all so he didn't need to say goodbye. And him staring at the guy in the bathroom was really weird. I agree with bhigh, the slo Mo with the dripping water was suggesting something else. I didn't see the relevance in the movie.

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Not gay at all, as people have stated I think he was just longing to be normal.

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anything is that he lived completely sheltered from the outside world until the happenings of the movie.

He most probably wouldn't understand why that sort of thing could cause embarresment, or the social implications of being caught staring at another man.
Hell, he may not even know what homosexuality is.

But he was incredibly good at reading people, he figured the board thought he cheated on the test.

So, he was probably just caught off guard by the immense longing he felt to be a normal person.

Another thing, Am I the only person who realised that Powder himself was pretty well built?

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1. It isn't just that Jeremy could read people, he could hear their thoughts, remember?
2.He's not gay. Period. The gym scene with Zane was admiration and jealousy, and the being touched by the teacher was to show Jeremy that it was ok. His grandparents were afraid to touch him so he was never held as a child or patted on the back when he did something right. It was a kind of first physical contact sort of thing, it was to show him that people really do care.
3. And yes, Powder is VERY well built in the movie, and good looking too! Yay!

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we are suposse to not believe so cos the other big bad guy said it louder "peeping tom *beep* and bad guys like this use to tell wrong things in the movies.

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He was too pure to be gay. He was above all of humankind, and simply wanted to understand everyone and everything around him. He was kept in that house with his grandparents all those years after all.

And when Jeremy (Powder) was watching that guy in the gym, he was looking at his body hair, like in his armpits, cuz remember, Jeremy didn't and could never have any body hair.

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"He was too pure to be gay."?????
Are you saying that being gay taints him somehow? Is he less pure if he's gay?
Anyway, he wasn't staring at the dude because he's gay. He was just jealous. He was just thinking "Why can't I be more like that?" He was probably thinking that if he could get a tan, if he could grow hair, if he had colored eyes, maybe people would accept him.

"You said it yourself: All I have is sarcasm and a gun!" Sandra Bullock

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I would take pure to be innocent or naive rather then pure/impure.

I would suggest that Powder was asexual. He had no feelings about sex either way. Human contact and love but not sexual love/lust.

Checking out others bodies is actually a very normal part of all adolescents lives. We all want to be the same or want to see that others have the same flaws as us. However we have been brought up not to stare.

Powder did not have the same social conditioning so there fore would not have realised that it could be miscontrued to be sexual. If he was asexual he would not of thought of it at all it would not enter his mind.


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Powder wasn't gay. I think the bullies in the movie though, however, seem more homosexual.

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I strongly agree about Eddie Vedder's character John had latent homosexual tendencies. Powder himself was only looking at the HAIR on his body if you notice where the camera's eyes shot was. It wa son the character's Head of hair and then hair on his armpits.... and his name was Sky not Zane.
This is simply a beautiful movie too bad a pedophile had to write it and loose his backing from Disney otherwise this movie would have done much better.

"Jonathan...., Andrew. You boys like Magic don't you? Abracadabra!" - Dark Willow

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I do not agree. Powder lived a sheltered life. His development was arrested and he had no social skills. All he had was books and the power of observation coupled with his incredible abilities.

I think people see what they want to see. I am sure he did not understand the significance of staring at that Sky. And, the audience can only guess at what Powder was thinking because he does not explain. The guys in the locker were ignorant and possibly homophobic so the only reason they could think that a guy (who looks and acts strange)would stare at another guy is because he is homosexual.

Powder did not have the opportunity to mirror machismo and learn how "normal" guys carry themselves. So, it does not make sense to me to make assumptions about this characters sexuality when the character does not appear to have been given a frame of reference on the subject himself.

I would characterize Powder as an innocent. In the end, he ended up where he belonged as it is clear that he did not fit in the world he lived in.

What you read into characters like this tells you more about yourself, than the movie character.

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i know it's been a while since you posted this, but I can say without any doubt, this was as well put as any observation. I agree with you completely... Although, he did kiss the red-headed girl at the carnival. It's a clue, but as you say, there's nothing definitive to say.

The reality is this: given the context of the character, he could be construed just as bi-curious (kissing the girl, "checking out the guy") as he could be asexual (his motivations might not have been sexual at all; i.e. very well could have been as harmless as reciprocating the girls social gesture, and imagining how annoying the guy's hair might be if Powder himself was "hairy"). As you say, it's all about the perception.

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dude...he was admiring his hair...why do u thin Zane was pouring water on his long hair??? duh...P didn't have any..and this bastard had lots...

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You mean like hetero directors avoid using young girls in skimpy and/or wet costumes? Have you missed every cheerleader movie made in the past 50 years, not to mention the fact that every horror/suspense movie tends to have the big-busted, childish character (often of indeterminate age)?

Audiences tend to break up at scenes they find uncomfortable. In this society, there is still an awkwardness to showing a young male in a possibly erotic manner, although it is practically a staple of the same type of film to show young women in the same light.

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cpetr13, you said it perfectly. But I have to admit that moment seemed out of place to me. I appreciate Salva's adoration of that youthful ideal- the same as straight directors w/ youthful girls. Maby I'm wrong,but count me in the the group that felt it was the directors admiration getting carried away- in this movie it just seemed out of place. Jeepers creepers 2 has this long floating shot of beautiful shirtless boys sunbathing on top of a bus. It's fine- but it also takes my focus off the story because because I know Victors admiring again. He's a facinating director. I just hope he finds a nice man and admires the boys from a distance....

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"I would suggest that Powder was asexual. He had no feelings about sex either way. Human contact and love but not sexual love/lust."

We certainly don't know that. Nor is my vision true..

But I think that he was bi.

Because to me advanced human being would be sexual not asexual.

I think that sexual experiences get us closer to the spirit of the world (I think that there was this kind of theme in Powder when Powder said to the policeman that his wife is all around). I mean - an orgasm it is one of the most purest thing I have felt in the world. And it is highly spiritual experience to me. ;)

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>> But I think that he was bi.

>> Because to me advanced human being would be sexual not asexual.

And here, you are projecting your own philosophy onto the film. Not bi -- didn't see any evidence of it.

There *was* innocence there, of course, but it was borne of inexperience and lack of exposure, not because he had somehow evolved 'beyond' your average, everyday heterosexual or homosexual attraction. Besides, if you noticed during the scene at the state fair, he had a moment of the same kind of shy, almost flirting reaction to the girl that you would normally expect from a completely sheltered young girl who'd just been kissed the first time by a boy. Jeremy was just a boy suddenly surprised at being attracted to a girl, surprised to be liking it, and reacting to it with joy, without guile, and without trying to cover up what he felt. Very sweet indeed. Would that we all had at least one such a memory of young love.

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The "boys" in "JC2" are all of legal age.

You know, long loving shot of men are just as insteresting to a lot of gay mand ans straight women as the reverse is for straight guys (not to mention lesbans.) Either we cut out sensuality in films altogether or accept the fact that men can be eye candy as well--for all ages.

Frankly, nothing in this movie creeped me out anywhere near as badly as the average child "beauty pageant" ever had. THAT'S creepy. Movies just sell voyeurism, nd always have.

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I agree. The scene was shot like a late night cable b-movie scene, and was just poorly done. If the director wanted to show Powder's longing to be normal there are a million better ways to do it than a sweaty hairy wet muscle bound guy dripping water over himself in slow motion. It just lowered the caliber of the film-making. Oh well, nobodies perfect.

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Velvet... You're such an ... Nah, not worth it. It's easier to just report you for abuse. Idiot.

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I do not believe he was gay. I think he was trying to see Sky's thoughts, find out why he is the way he is and maybe in turn find out why the others were the way they were. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that place some kind of detention center? IT's been awhile since I saw this.

"Richard, were you watching...spanktrovision??"

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