the rape
is it me or did he rape his wife in that scene in the lounge ?
shareI think he did.
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I dont think it was rape, just angry sex
shareI'm not sure she's really up for it like.
I THINK I HAVE TO AGREE, BECAUSE SHE KNOWS NO RESISTANCE TO HIS ADVANCES AND SHE VERBALLY AGRESS TO IT TOO. I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT HIS ENTHUSIASM TO BE AROUND THE HOLLIGAN SCENE HAS GIVEN HIM SUCH A SHORT FUSE THAT THE SLIGHTEST COMMENT FROM HI WIFE CAUSES HIM TO FORCE HER INTO HAVING SEX. TO BE FAIR, THE SCENE DOES ADD MORE DEPTH INTO JOHN'S CHARACTER BECAUSE IT SHOWS JUST HOW DEEP HE IS IN HIS HOOLIGAN IMAGE IN ORDER TO GO UNTRACED.
PLUS I THOUGHT HIS WIFE WAS FIT TO BEGIN WITH, AND I FELT BAD FOR HER.
i think he hated her more because she was a copper than the fact he had a short fuse??
shareI don't think it was because she was a copper, because how would have he been able to do his job with his co workers.
I think leading up to this moment they hadn't had time together, and the job was coming between them, and he began to see her in a different light, she wasn't as appealing to him compared to someone like Lynda. Lynda was more slutier and more sexual. Marie was very conservative, so i think that when he tried to be rough with her sexually, he knew he didn't want to be with her when he had finished. Because she wasn't willing to be exciting in that way.
One thing...was Marie his wife? O.o I thought she was just his bird.
But no, I think it was rape. D'you think if she'd been willing, or even impassive, that she would have been smacking his back that way? Protesting the way she was? Nah. She would have kept her mouth shut, and let him have his way. In my eyes, it was rape. The way she reacted afterwards?...nuff said
Acutally, in the eyes of the law when this film was set (late eighties) it would not have been classed as rape because it was not possible for a husband to legally rape his wife, it was assumed that it was always given consent by the woman if she was married, this didn't change until 1991 (from what I can remember from my A Level Law!)
shareThey weren't married, though.
shareShe also said the more you say *beep* the less you do it, it can be seen as she was asking for it
shareit made me hard, very hot scene :)
shareThat is totally irrelevant and nauseating
shareAnd highly suspect,i think we may be seeing a few off the posters on ere on crimewatch soon.
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It was rough sex and she didn't seem to object too much so not rape. It was a bit of a silly plot device though ... the whole film was a bit of a silly plot come to that. They WERE married BTW.
shareShe was apparently more upset when he yelled at her towards the end as he showed up near her house.
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shareI don't think it was rape either, I think initially she was a bit 'Oh right okay, so this is what we're going to do!. There was no 'Don't! Stop! No!' comments from her and there wasn't really much of a physical attempt from her to try and prevent him from having sex with her, I know she slapped his back a few times but I think she was just letting out her frustrations with him by doing that rather than it being a case of her trying to fend him off so to speak.
She also stayed with him after that happened, when we see towards the end that she went back to her parents place I believe had he raped her she would have left straight away. It's not like she had nowhere else to go and she'd have ended up homeless.
With regards to his feelings towards his wife, I think he just got such a rush and kick out of the danger element of what he was doing that his wife just became too safe and boring in his eyes. I mean when he shagged Linda she was REALLY into it and clearly someone who would give as good as she got and I think that's sort of what he was looking for.
In comparison I think his wife was probably quite vanilla when it came to sex ie not willing to be too adventurous or dirty so to speak.
I was thinking it was definitely rape until I read your post. Then it got me thinking, so I looked up the dictionary definition of rape, which is forcing someone to have sex against their will. Well, on that basis, I think it was rape, as she certainly didn't want it and he really didn't give her any choice. Having said that, a case would never hold up in court because as you pointed out, she said "oh, right, ok" and didn't shout stop of anything like that. It's very grey when it comes to a couple in a long term relationship. I think "rape", as in the dictionary definition, probably happens far too often within relationships, but I imagine the "raped" person would not want to press charges because they consider it to be a necessary endurance within their relationship, which I suppose then makes them complicit and therefore not technally raped. Hmm, tricky.
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