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What are the problems with this movie?


What was wrong with this movie? I saw this movie when I was a kid and today I caught it on tv. Didn't watch it but I was wondering why it bombed.

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Bombed big time..

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Nice... but why?

I'm not saying this movie is good I'm just curious.

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Awsome production value(props,locations,not cinematography),horrible horrible script.Thats why.The charictors are dryer then the mohave desert.Nice props and a couple cool scenes.But the charictors have horrible dialogue.

Give a guy a gun, he thinks he's Superman. Give him two and he thinks he's God.

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There are tons of movies with Horrible Scripts that do just fine at the Boxoffice.

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Casting, casting and casting.

This movie had ONE decent actor in a leading role, and that was Frank Langella as Dog. Geena Davis absolutely SUCKED, she looked like she was cold reading most of her lines, and Matthew Modine was so white bread in this role that no amount of suspension of disbelief could make him work in the role. Pay attention to Davis's line deliveries, she sounds weak, tired and out of breath.

Aside from the miscast actors, I still think this is a great pirate movie; it has plenty of action, unbelievable stunt work, and absolutely gorgeous scenery and backdrops.

This movie could have been a great commercial success with some obvious cast changes.

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My Personal oppinion I thought Geena Davis was great I have always liked her style, and I find that she is a lot of times missunderstood in what she is trying to accomplish in her roles -- I find her choice of role play very refreshing from the hollywood norm. True the script begged for more, but in the long run this film is still one of the most favorite films to sit back on a weekend turn off your brain and enjoy the ride . . . (Actually I am listening to the soundtrack right now -- It's also awesome, in a calliber all of its own {which is probably why I've found myself wandering to this message board})

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No argument on the soundtrack, I too think it's great. One of the best ever in IMHO.

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This soundtrack is one of the best ever! My freshman year of high school we used this music for our marching band pirate theme. I still hum it! The music, along with the movie itself (which I thought was quite entertaining, but not particularly amazing) completely cemented my love for all things pirate!

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Frank Langhella as Dawg was ABSOLUTELY terrifying... I loved his part! Imagine having an uncle like that... So smooth and so scary! As far as fairy tale characters go, his was impressive, to say the least.

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John Debney's Score is one of the best of all time! I liked the movie even with its said flaws. Let's face it, the movie was a fun ride and as far as Pirate movies go it wasn't that bad. I loved Pirates Of The Caribbean and I really love Debney's score in comparison. As a student of Film Music it doesn't get any better that this! (Including my much loved Danny Elfman)

Ulysses Everett McGill: Well I don't want FOP, godammit! I'm a Dapper Dan man!

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As a member of the "masses" who enjoy movies without ever having studied the subject, I also thought the soundtrack and sound effects from "Lord of War" was great. Can films that use existing music or special versions of existing music be compared with films that have original scores? Or would it be considered apples and oranges to compare an original score such as Cutthroat Island to the score from Lord of War?

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Pirates of the Carribean's score is rather too similar to almost-every-other-film-on-the-block-at-the-moment. It's good, but still..

PS My other half is STILL looking for a tin of Dapper Dan. Great quote :)

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Two factors: wrong leads and stupid use of budget.

Davis was too mild as a tough pirate B*tch and Modine was too mild all to gether. I recall the original male lead was supposed to be Michael Douglas. Now that would have been a lot better choice, but sadly he refused to honors. I remember reading, that there was some jealosy between Harlin and Douglas because of Davis, but that's just silly tabloid rumors and we all know how credible those are.

The budget sillyness can be gathered from those four full scale pirate ships that were build, or at least that's what I've heard, for this film. And exploded. They could have used models for that.

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The main reason why this film bombed was not because of its script (which wasn't the greatest) or its actors (who weren't the greatest). It bombed because it was too expensive. It had some of the greatest production values during the time, but their cost was too high.

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I agree, it's a delicate balancing act for anyone to pull off. Take for instance Terry Gilliam's "The Man Who Killed Don Quixote" as chronicled in "Lost In La Mancha". Surely the stars were not aligned for him making his dream film.

Ulysses Everett McGill: Well I don't want FOP, godammit! I'm a Dapper Dan man!

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I have to agree that casting was the problem with this fliq.
However I don't think that Davis was the problem. "Long Kiss Goodnight" shows that she could handle this kind of action fliq.

I've always thought that the problem was Modine (though I've loved him in other roles). He just wasn't right for the role & didn't give Davis enough to work with.

This could have been a really fun movie with a diff. cast - unfortunately as is, it just doesn't work.

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Simply put: Bad track record. While unbeknownst to let's-hire-the-hottest-thing-in-hollywood studios, Renny Harlin later proved to have a bad track record. Like Jan de Bont, he has a vision, and 99.9% of the time it isn't one that the public agrees with. Casting Geena Davis is not a bad idea at all but when the director is sleeping with her, well there you have some conflict. So for the poster who mentioned Michael Douglas earlier, yeah, there was a conflict, because an actor likes to build a relationship with another actor that they are comfortable with. Geena Davis got cast because she and Renny Harlin had a thing. It ended after he couldn't turn her into a big star with Long Kiss Goodnight. Renny just doesn't get it. Because he had success with Stallone in Cliffhanger, does not mean that he will have success with Stallone in Driven. He is finally starting to show weakness as Hollywood is giving him sh** projects like teen horror films. Personally I think he is one step above Uwe Boll.

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i havnt seen it since theatre but i really dont remember it being so crappy, critics are very stupid people and can destroy anything they want, i normally will go see anything critics hate, i dont know why people need to have a $20 million movie star to make a movie good, i would much rather see no name actors, it makes the movie more believable, cant stand most of hollyweird

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at the time when the film was made 100million dollar budget was still a rarity, and critics usaully attack films that cost a lot of money because they don't want to see them succeed. also the film was not given a great advertising, the film did indeed bankrupt Carolco pictures, the company that released films like the Rambo trilogy, Terminator 2, Basic Instinct. and it was also released on X-mas eve, and that was not the right time to have a pirate movie.

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I remember seeing the movie when it came out, and disliking it. I had expected to like it, but found Geena Davis awkward as a pirate. Her performance seemed forced.

The other pirates would do whatever she told them, and I couldn't understand why. She didn't seem to have done anything to have a bunch of tough cutthroats in fear of her; it was obviously just in the script.

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Patrick Malahide as Ainslee was the saving Grace in this movie 'Trotter, do you want to spend the rest of your days on this poxy island?'. One of the best lines for sure.

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LOL.. when I looked at the board just now, the title of the next thread gave the answer to the question posed in this one:

"What are the problems with this movie?"


"Geena Davis"


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Seriously: This was one of the very first DVDs I bought way back in the late 90s. I even bought a (then) very expensive US-import R1-version no less, cause there was no german DVD available at the time. So I had to have my DVD-player converted to code-free for about $100 (back then you had to solder on a new chip). The reason: I love Pirate-movies, period. :)

Cutthroat is no worse than POTC. Sure: The story comes from the clichee-vault of movie-history (hidden treasure, sea-battles, swashbuckling, heroes almost going under in a storm just to be washed ashore on the very island they're looking for, etc.). But that's what Pirate-movies have always been about, isn't it?

I can see why they cast Modine (slight resemblance to Errol Flynn), but I can't see a reason to cast Mrs. Davis other than the fact that the director was shagging her at the time..:) She plays wooden (as always) and doesn't fit the role.
Why did it have to be a woman-pirate anyway? Pirate movies were so out of date when this was made, so they hardly needed a "new twist" by casting a female lead.

In any case: Without Davis, this would've been a great movie. All the ingredients are there, but somehow the "magic" is missing, because she just can't pull it off.

Now, if someone could get themselves to do a pirate-movie with historical accuracy (say: a piratized version of "Master and Commander"), *that* would be a movie I'd love to see.




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After reading much about the shortcomings of the script, I finally broke down and saw the movie last night.

The script definitely had problems, but many of them were fixable, such as the over emphasis on the Morgan character, which was never really believable as filmed.

What was not fixable was the horrible direction of the action sequences. The director seems to have followed two rules. One, the faster the action in real life, the slower the motion on the screen. On the other hand, maybe this was just a way of stretching a 90 minute movie to feature length.

Two, when in doubt, throw in another explosion. There wasn't enough gunpowder in the entire Caribbean to account for everything that blew up in this movie. At times, I thought it was filmed inside a live volcano.

On the various ships, the action was very static, giving the feeling of being shot on a set, and not on a ship. Also, when the leads were involved in action, all of the action around them was frozen so that we, the dumb audience, would be sure to pick them out.

All in all, the action sequences were generally terrible. While good action might salvage an indifferent script, bad action sequences can kill even a good script (which this was not).

I think the direction was the kiss of death to this project.

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"...the faster the action in real life, the slower the motion on the screen"

Yes, that’s what I thought too. The constant misuse of slow motion in the action scenes stand like a silly trademark left by the director.
And sometimes you even have the actors continue their dialog during slowmo!

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