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scene where he kills his mother


is that a copy of Edmund Kemper? or is that jus a coincidence?

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I don't think that was his mother. I think it was his wife. She looked too young to be his mother.

"If you can do it, it ain't braggin'"-Dizzy Dean

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I don't think that it is his mother either, I'm pretty sure it is his wife. And I think it's Ted Bundy. Bundy killed young women in their beds.

Don't think he blew his house up after though!

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Ya, I've been wondering about his murdered wife being a 'Ted Bundy' too. I think, if it was meant to be a Bundy copykill and part of his scheme, he would've wanted it to be documented and verified. But since he blew up his house, he was probably just cutting ties and killed his wife along side because she meant nothing to him.
Another thing is that it was him who pointed the police and Helen to her speach in the university with that phone call. In other words he must have been aware that the police knew a 'Ted Bundy' was next and that they might very well trace him through the records on whom attended that class. Even if he hadn't owned a VW Beetle, enough people had seen him with Andy in the bar and it was basically just a matter of time till they'd match it with the appropriate driver's license or some other form of identification.

So, I think he skipped the Bundy murder all together, blew up his house to delay the copy for a while and went straight to the main course, killing Helen in Cullum style.

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That whole Mother/wife argument is interesting...the director leaves it up to people to make their own decision...but definetely his mum in my opinion

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Its his wife.

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How can anyone think it's his mother? She is far too young, it is clearly his wife. The actress who plays her is credited as "Peter's Wife" so that clears that up.

Sometimes, baby bison die.

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I agree with fearless dude. It's quite a clever touch to cast an actress who is of "indeterminate age", so to speak. She could be a young mother, or an older wife. The viewers can make up their own minds.

The scene where she purses up her lips for a kiss and he just plants a chaste kiss on her forehead is interesting too. It could be that this is his mother who has incestuous sexual demands from him (prompting the question, did he grow up as his mother's "little man", her surrogate husband/partner?) or it could be that this is a wife whom he finds physically repellent, because he gets his kicks from torture and murder, not from sex.

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It was his wife. He wore a wedding band, too. Obviously, though, because she is older, it was some kind of marriage of convenience. She could have been sick or infirmed, perhaps just needing companionship. She settles for a quick kiss. In, turn, he gets to live comfortably but, more importantly, he has all the privacy he needs to do his 'hobby'. And, I also think that was Bundy.

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ejverh gets it.

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It was his mother. She was the same woman in the video - the hippie chick dancing around in the video from the 60s.

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The woman in the bed was his mother.

Strangely the credits list Peter's wife too???

Which one was his wife? the "no dumping here" victim?

Also which scene are you talking about? I saw it on TV and maybe it was cut, I didn't see him kill his mother just her dead in bed with a fair amount of blood about when the house was on fire.

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Nope the woman in the bed was his wife...

I believe there was a scene cut from the film which looked back on Peter's childhood... that's why there is a credit for Peter's mother, there is a credit for Young Peter too....


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where does young peter come into it?

getting confused with Natural Enemy?

it was his mom....he had killed his wife in the earlier scene....and wasnt he gay? didnt he kill Helen's friend after sleeping with him?

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Young Peter and his mother were in a scene that was deleted!! That's why they are credited in the film, but they don't actually make an appearance... The scene was cut.... the bed ridden woman he killed was his overbearing wife!!!!

He wasn't gay, (well there was no evidence or mention of it that I recall)... He posed as a gay man to lure Helen's assistant out into the ally so he could kill him, he didn't sleep with him...



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Thank youy for giving the complete and accurate facts, this is made very clear in the movie and also in the trivia section of this movie it explains the scene that was shot but removed from the final cut about a young Peter and his mother

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I agree

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His wife was the one in bed...he called her darling....

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(*doesn't read any of the posts*)

Thanks for the spoiler in the title of this thread. ><

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Well, he doesn't kill his mother in the movie, I think that was his wife. He even says to her "Well, darling I could" when she asks him to watch Letterman with her. No guy I know ever calls his mother 'darling'.

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It didn't even enter my head that the character was supposed to be his mother, i always thought it was his wife, she was way too young to be a mum, and if she was meant to be then it was bad casting.

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Hmm it seems the scene where the wife/mom gets killed was cut from the version I saw on TV recently. You just see the Swat guys going in and that she dead.

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I didn't see her get killed, she was just dead.

Brody: You're gonna need a bigger boat.

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I always thought it was his mother. Classic serial killer fair. Most serial killers had unusual relationships with their mother's including incest.

The film left that for you to fill in but I vote for Mommy dearest. His hatred for her just to intense not to be a long-term, life-long, issue.

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I'm not really sure why this is still a debate...it's his wife. She's listed as such in the credits. She's clearly not old enough to be his mother. She acts more like a wife than a mother with her advances. He didn't care if she lived or died, but he didn't kill her as part of his serial killer ritual. The only reason she died is because she was in the house when he blew it up.

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Why do people keep thinking that chick in the bed was his mother? How many sons call their mothers darling? Even Norman Bates, the ultimate mommas boy didn't do that.

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Nor would he call his mother 'darling', I don't think. He may, depending on their bizarre relationship, but the woman is credited at Peter's Wife. I think his 'Bundy' was as the previous poster noted...bludgeoned in her bed. That was about the only thing "Bundy" about it.

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Gee thanks suganspice70 !!! Now I know he kills his mother! Idiot!

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My impression the first time I saw the movie was that the woman in the bed was his mother, and that they had an incestuous relationship. I get that feeling everytime I see the movie actually, even though I know it supposed to be his wife. I don't think its a coincidence so many people think its his mom. Thats the vibe you get between the two characters, intentional or not.

A lot of people have said that she looks to young to be his mom, but I disagree. To me she looks like a woman in her mid 40's and Peter is in his mid 20's so its perfectly possible IMO.

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Its cos she talks to him like hes a kid. Some wives treat their hubbys like that love. 'Go back to your silly little computers'. She sounds like an old nagging mother hahahaha.

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Wow, I thought that was his mom too. She looks way too old to be his wife. He seemed like a boy in his early 20's and the mom looked like she was in her 40's.

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I think it was his wife because she wanted a kiss on the lips before he left the bedroom and she wanted him to sit in bed with her to watch Letterman (although granted he was a killer and therefore could have had a *beep* up relationship with his mum which contributed to him being the type of person who could kill).

Anway the way I see it with 'which killer was he copying when he killed her?' is that he wasn't copying anyone at this point - the ones he copied were staged down to the last detail which required a lot of planning (including carefully choosing the victims) and other than that there were people he had to kill to get to Helen and evade capture (the cop who's throat he slit to get in to her apartment and his wife. There may have been others too).




Hmmmm puzzler. Bit of a puzzle.

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I felt like it was ambiguous too and concluded that it was his mother based on the stereotype of him living in his mother's basement and the incestuous vibe between them.

It's one of those days...

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Interesting, this is why I love imdb boards even for a movie like this that I have seen a million times since the 90s... It always bugged me that Bundy is next on the list and he never does it. But thanks to the earlier poster, it seems a real possibility that they DID cover the Bundy murder -- with the woman bludgeoned in her bed ala Chi Omega house. Just a glimpse but it makes perfect sense. Peter is thorough and didn't miss a trick on the list.

Smart of the writer and director and I can't believe I never noticed it. THEN he is free to go do his final mission with Helen. Thanks!

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