I was watching it again today and when her and Josh kissed she said you know what happenes next.. then it went to the wedding scene but it got me wondering did she sleep with him?
shareI think they did. The wedding scene was supposed to be a joke, like implying the viewer assumed they got serious and jumped into marriage in the span of a few weeks.
shareI agree with inan! I think they had sex too because WHAT ELSE could Cher have been referring too when she said "Well, you can guess what happened next..." if the wedding scene wasn't it? Sex was the only other option and it had made sense since the subject of Cher's virginity & losing it to the right guy was a huge part of the movie's plot.
They were building up the plot of Cher's virginity & losing it to the right guy all throughout the movie, and it wouldn't of made sense to just end the movie and leave that plot unresolved. I think it's sorta funny that the right guy for Cher all along was not only right under her nose, but was exactly the kinda guy that she had always wanted all along ever since the beginning of the movie (a.k.a. a mature man who wasn't in highschool). I guess it was just another one of those things that was obvious to the audience from the start that Cher was just too clueless to realize.
WHAT ELSE could Cher have been referring too when she said "Well, you can guess what happened next..." if the wedding scene wasn't it? Sex was the only other option and it had made sense since the subject of Cher's virginity & losing it to the right guy was a huge part of the movie's plot.
uuum no did everyone forget that right after we saw the wedding she said "AS IF!!!"
shareim sure she most likely did have sex with him shortly after they started dating, i just dont think it would have happened immediately after that stairs scene.
Sex issue aside, I think you're right, Cher's father was happy about their relationship. Did you notice his knowing little smile when Josh was talking about following Cher to the party?
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She was DEFINITELY implying that they had sex. The wedding was obviously not theirs, so I dunno how you coulda missed that joke
shareNo, they didn't. If you listen they say after "You know what happens next.." she goes onto say "As If! Besides I'm only 16 and were in California, not Kentucky"
shareNo, they didn't. If you listen they say after "You know what happens next.." she goes onto say "As If! Besides I'm only 16 and were in California, not Kentucky"
They definitely didn't, well definitely maybe not..OK I'm hoping they didn't, then there's still a chance for me...
Yes, unless Josh was also gay. Incestuous pedophilia is just too hard to pass up.
shareIt's kind of quasi-incestuous, they aren't blood relatives. Poor Cher would end up with a complex if yet another boyfriend turns up gay.
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i'm sure the happily ever after implies that they had sex and remained together for awhile. Otherwise Josh is a mug....
yep, I agree with you, in this movie it seems like Cher and Josh have forgotten that their relationship resembles a kind of incest and pedophilia. But nowadays who cares? Perhaps pedophilia and incest are legally allowed in California.
By the way, I don't understand the American children's obsession about lossing their virginity as soon as possible... it's just like they'd think they'd die if they don't do that... as if there were no time in the future for them when all grown up ... oh, I got it... with so much weed and beer going through their bodies when driving, perhaps they won't have a life in the future. Sad reality, perfectly reflected in that movie.
Going back to the main topic I must say: There are a lot of Chers dating Joshes out there, and since these Joshes wouldn't like their friends to call them 'gay' they won't lose the chance to have sex with their Chers, and Chers wouldn't like to be silly good-girls so they go for the risk
What paedophilia?! Josh is like two years older then Cher! I had a friend in school who had a boyfriend who was two years older then her. When he went to college and she was still in high school, no one tried to accuse him of paedophilia. That's just ridiculous.
And there was no incest. They were not brother and sister. Their parents had been married very briefly (I'm thinking two to three months) years before, and it's obvious they never saw each other as siblings. They still don't see each other as siblings. So there are no incestuous undertones. If they had viewed each other as family, it would have been disturbing, but they did not. So I see no problem with it./
Not to mention that the phrase pedophilia only applies when the victim is prepubescent...Which most 16 year old girls are decidedly not.
shareI agree with Tez20, the fact that Cher follows up the "You know what happens next..." comment with the "As if!...." comment just after it cuts to the wedding scene makes that very obvious! It was supposed to be a joke, so for a split second the viewers think Cher and Josh are actually getting married, and then you realise it is the teachers happy ending insead. I always though it was a clever way to introduce the wedding. I've watched this film a few times and never though Cher was referring to sex, i think perhaps the people who did think that did not get the implied joke (and totally missed the "As if!..." line for that matter!
shareThe question was the lead-up to the as-if joke. Not a sexual implication.
shareSHe was CLEARLY joking people! You are all looking too far into this. If they had had sex it wouldn't be a huge debate. It would have been clarified dummies.
shareI feel so repetitve about this, but I find it funny how the last poster is calling, us, the people who actually GET the joke, dummies.
Here is the explanation as to why it is implied that, YES, they have sex.
As someone said already, one of the main plots in the movie is that Cher is (shock!) still a virgin. After she and Josh kiss, and she says "Well, you can guess what happened next", the viewer would assume that they had sex. THEN, they cut to the shot of Mr Hall and Ms Geist at the altar, but since we only see the backs of their heads, it is then implied that they (Cher and Josh) got married, and that is what happened next. BUT, then we see that it is Mr Hall and Ms Geist who DID get married, and Cher says "No! We're only sixteen, and this is California, not Kentucky!" Meaning, what happened next was NOT Cher and Josh getting married. So, the question is "What DID happen next?"
Sex happened! What the hell else could she mean? Like I said, ask Amy Heckerling and I bet she says the same thing!
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If this is indeed how it happens, it's obvious they have sex! This kind of segue is perfect for HBO India where they would have cut the scenes anyway! It's coming on HBO India this Sunday. Anybody can say whether it's good?
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People are a bit too concerned with this fictional relationship D:..But I'll throw in my two cents anyway.
Why immediately assume they had sex? Earlier in the movie, Tai makes a big deal out of Cher's decision to wait. She's a virgin and, though Josh was kinda supposed to be "the one" for our leading lady, that doesn't necessarily mean Cher would've just jumped into having sex with him...It seems a bit out of character for her. Still, who's to say? I guess because her character was pretty sensible underneath it all, that's why my mind never jumped to that conclusion. The wedding scene was a joke, but that doesn't necessarily mean there was some underlying hint there o.O I think this is just a case of people reading too far into it.
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And their relationship was in no way incestuous..They weren't blood related. Josh was Cher's dad's step-son...From like..2 marriages back, or something. And who knows how long they were even married? I don't think Cher grew up with him.
Exactly, there's no reason to jump to any conclusion here, they didn't sleep together.
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i dont think she wud be the type to belive in no sex before marriage, she wasnt very religuius or a geek.
shareI know, Im almost a year late of this topic, but thought I would add my two cents and clear something up...
In the scene where Dionne is trying to powder up Cher (because she's all flushed with excitement that Christian is coming over to watch movies) Cher says "You know, I am so glad I never did it with someone who I had lukewarm feelings for... Because Christian is brutally hot. And I am going to remember tonight forever." It's very possible that Cher would have gave her virginity to Josh considering how little she really did know about Christian. She knew much more about Josh plus he was the older college/university type that she originally wanted. As to if she did have sex with Josh, I dont know. Im just saying that it wouldnt be surprising... I dunno... just seems like she would consider the idea of it if she was saying things like the above. Also, dating an older guy would add pressure to give in. Maybe... (no? lol)
im sure she most likely did have sex with him shortly after they started dating, i just dont think it would have happened immediately after that stairs scene.
shareI agree. I never assumed that they immediately had sex either. I think it was just supposed to be a joke to lead into the marriage of the teachers. Josh doesn't seem the type to me to just immediately hop in the sack with Cher. He doesn't strike me as the kind of person to have sex before they even go on the first date. And I highly doubt he would have sex with Cher under Mel's roof. I think he respects Mel too much to take his daughter's virginity under his own roof. I think some people read too much into some lines. And Cher is rather conservative. I don't see her just jumping in the sack either. I'm not saying that they wait a long time to have sex after getting together. I just don't think they did it immediately.
shareI agree. I never assumed that they immediately had sex either. I think it was just supposed to be a joke to lead into the marriage of the teachers. Josh doesn't seem the type to me to just immediately hop in the sack with Cher. He doesn't strike me as the kind of person to have sex before they even go on the first date. And I highly doubt he would have sex with Cher under Mel's roof. I think he respects Mel too much to take his daughter's virginity under his own roof. I think some people read too much into some lines. And Cher is rather conservative. I don't see her just jumping in the sack either. I'm not saying that they wait a long time to have sex after getting together. I just don't think they did it immediately.
I never assumed that they immediately had sex either. I think it was just supposed to be a joke to lead into the marriage of the teachers. Josh doesn't seem the type to me to just immediately hop in the sack with Cher. He doesn't strike me as the kind of person to have sex before they even go on the first date. And I highly doubt he would have sex with Cher under Mel's roof. I think he respects Mel too much to take his daughter's virginity under his own roof. I think some people read too much into some lines. And Cher is rather conservative. I don't see her just jumping in the sack either. I'm not saying that they wait a long time to have sex after getting together. I just don't think they did it immediately.
And Cher is rather conservative. I don't see her just jumping in the sack either.
Oh she most certainly WAS implying that she had sex. Cher's virginity was a subplot throughout the whole entire movie, so it didn't make sense to just leave that plot unresolved & solve all of the other plots at the end of the movie.
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The JOKE of the whole scene was the idea that Cher & Josh's kiss had led to the wedding scene. The IMPLICATION that they had sex from the scene was when Cher had said "Well, you can guess what happened next...". If she wasn't talking about the wedding scene (which she most obviously wasn't), then what do you think she was talking about?
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As I've already explained if that were the case then why would Amy Heckerling leave Cher's virginity subplot unresolved after she had finally found the perfect, mature, non-highschool boy that she had been looking for all along? It doesn't make any sense to leave that plot unresolved when every other plot was wrapping up and getting resolved around the end of the movie.
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A GOOD, extremely well-written (& well-thought out), & highly praised movie usually does such as this one. Hence the reason why that line had implied that Cher & Josh had sex, and had successfully, subtly, & very cleverly I might add resolved that subplot before the movie had ended.
shareI think it's deliberately left ambiguous.
Still, one thing about this version of Jane Austen's "Emma" is that the father wasn't nearly as clueless as in the original novel. There are a few clear signs that Dad knew how Josh felt long before he consciously admitted it (and, I suspect, eventually knew who his daughter was referring to during their daddy-daughter moment). As far as plot consistency is concerned, I imagine that he approved of the relationship but would work to ensure that it didn't leave the PG territory very often.
I tend to agree with this. It was ambiguous on purpose. When watched this as a 13 year old, I merely assumed it meant they got together in a relationship.
When I was older, I got some of the sex references I'd missed when I was 13, and realized it could have mean they had sex.
The story fits well either way, but I don't think that just because Cher's dad likes Josh and probably likes them dating, that he wouldn't still try to prevent any hanky panky from getting too far. And Josh loves Cher, but he still doesn't want to dis point Mel, who he looks up to. They could have been more obvious, but they left it up to the viewer to decide and Cher and Josh could have maintained a more chaste relationship too.
Yes, im sure she banged him :P lol.
shareActually, she could have just meant that she and Josh became an item in general, when she said " you can guess what happened next ", not necessarily meaning they slept together.
shareEXACTLY, Beth. What is it with the dopes assuming there's no debate?? Hello, it's clear she meant they became an item next; you think they'd promote the idea of 16-year-old Cher jumping into bed with a guy? Or that coolly sensible college-man Josh would sleep with an underaged girl, the daughter of a man he works with and knows to be VERY protective?
As if.
you think they'd promote the idea of 16-year-old Cher jumping into bed with a guy?
Featuring girls having sex is NOT the same as promoting it. The fact that they had a bimbo character like Tai do it but the heroine refrain from it is generally a sign they don't support it.
"Dionne implying that she's had oral sex with Murray multiple times"
Don't recall that whatsoever.
"Dionne asking Tai for sex advice (how to do it underwater"
In water, not underwater; due to heavy breathing during sex, that's impossible for humans.
The fact that they had a bimbo character like Tai do it but the heroine refrain from it is generally a sign they don't support it.
"Dionne implying that she's had oral sex with Murray multiple times"
Don't recall that whatsoever.
"Dionne asking Tai for sex advice (how to do it underwater"
In water, not underwater; due to heavy breathing during sex, that's impossible for humans.
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lol, I figured :P
Weird, I don't recall Dionne implying that. That explains her "technically a virgin" statement. Thanks, I'll keep an eye out.
"Cher as good as said so herself to Dionne during that hilarious freeway scene"
True, but she also said she couldn't believe she'd been about to do it so easily and that it was really special and important.
Weird, I don't recall Dionne implying that.
True, but she also said she couldn't believe she'd been about to do it so easily and that it was really special and important.
As far as I'm concerned, it was resolved when she realized how fast she tried to jump into the sack with Christian. Furthermore, I hardly think Dionne's comments that her boyfriend was satisfied implicitly implies oral sex.
shareAs far as I'm concerned, it was resolved when she realized how fast she tried to jump into the sack with Christian.
Furthermore, I hardly think Dionne's comments that her boyfriend was satisfied implicitly implies oral sex.
I stated earlier I think it was very clear that Cher meant next, they became an item. Many are seeing sex everywhere in this movie even when there's little to no implication. I think in any case you're forgetting my last argument: there's no way in hell as far as I'm concerned that Josh would have sex with an under-aged and largely immature girl, especially when he's quite familiar with the large aggression of her father.
shareMany are seeing sex everywhere in this movie even when there's little to no implication.
I said there's little to no implication about SOME of the suggestions from people of where sex is referenced. I am QUITE aware of all the plainer than life sex and drug references. I also picked up on the implication of Dionne's statement that she was "techinically" a virgin, but whether that implies oral sex instead of any number of other sensual games is far from certain.
"There were a whole bunch of subtle drug & sex related jokes scattered all throughout this movie, and the "Well...you can guess what happens next..." line was definitely one of them."
There's nothing definite about it; all the other statements or implications regarding sex or anything close were plain, whereas this wasn't anywhere near it. Once again, the Josh factor and all the other stated reasons.
I dont think they had sex because the point of the story was Cher was growing up, she was maturing. That's why it's called Clueless because she doesn't get it and at the end she gets that the right guy has been there all along and sex isn't as important despite the fact that her friends think it is. Besides she learned from the fact that she wanted to do it with Christian.
shareI also picked up on the implication of Dionne's statement that she was "techinically" a virgin, but whether that implies oral sex instead of any number of other sensual games is far from certain.
are tai an dione the same age as cher?
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Of course they didn't. This is a retelling of a Jane Austen novel, after all. The hunt is the important thing.
shareI have never thought the segue to the wedding scene or Cher's voice over was meant to think of sex in any way. People look too hard for hidden meanings. As mentioned already, it was a trick/joke on viewers. That said, I would assume just based on the fact that she was waiting for the right guy and willing to have sex with Christian, that they did do it by the time the wedding rolled around.
shareWhat an absolute idiot Christian was. He had a gorgeous girl on a bed gagging for it and he went home tired.
shareWhat an absolute idiot Christian was. He had a gorgeous girl on a bed gagging for it and he went home tired.
As someone else has already said, I cannot believe this is even being debated.
Of course they had sex. She said "This is California, not Kentucky!" referring to the fact that they asbosultely did NOT get married NEXT, as they had just tried to fool us into believing, by only showing the back of Mr Hall and Ms. Geists' heads. What DID happen next, was sex. End of story.
Ask Amy Heckerling, I'll bet she says so.
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