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The Differences between Goosebumps and AYAOTD


I don't wanna turn this into a Goosebumps Vs. Are You Afraid of the Dark type of thread, because it's impossible to me. I'm a fan of both and enjoyed watching them back to back on weekends on YTV when I was younger. They were both instrumental in how they got me interested in the horror genre, and they both emphasized how much fun it could be to get scared.

On the other end, both had some serious flaws that kind of balanced each other out. What AYAOTD lacked at times was made up for as one of Goosebumps' strengths, and vice versa. For the longest time I could pick one over the other, because watching one would always remind of the things the other did well.

That doesn't change the fact that, in spite of their differences, if you were a kid growing up when these shows aired on TV, then you very likely enjoyed both for what they were, and probably have the intention of showing both to your children at some point.

But what are these differences, exactly? What makes these two shows, the most memorable horror-anthology shows for children and teens, so distinctly different in what they do?

1. Who's telling the story?

When you're dealing with an ongoing theme, cast of characters or over-arching storyline, that can be a major hook for an audience when returning to a show again and again. Sure, style and tone do come into play, but if you're being asked to get invested in a story or characters that just aren't that likeable for roughly 20 episodes a year, how can you sustain your audience?

This is what makes AYAOTD and Goosebumps so good for what they were. They kept kids coming back through the tone, setting, atmosphere, and the expected promises of ghosts, monsters, magic and the undead to fill in those gaps. The stories from episode to episode were all new, and so were the characters, though their ages kept them identifiable with their audience.

The narrative setups were equally important, with both shows taking on different styles.

AYAOTD used an embedded narration style that a lot of anthology shows, like The Twilight Zone and Tales From the Crypt, would employ. Each episode would be introduced by a host(s) who would set up the themes, story and characters ahead of the audience, and once the story was over they would often conclude the story with a joke, a proverb, or simply "The End." This is was a great way to introduce each episode for a few reasons.

First, even though the episodes had new characters, the Midnight Society served as an anchor for the audience, a group of familiar characters on the outside of a brand new story every time; in a sense, it was a nice mix of something old and something new.

Second, because the "real world" that we lived in was heavily implied to be the world of The Midnight Society, where they gathered around the campfire to tell stories, it then sets each story up as being just that: a fictional story, a narrative device that gives the audience the freedom to ease up with the knowledge that the "real characters" are safely on the outside bring this story to life.

Third, the writers often took the time to build mini story arcs with the Midnight Society members over the course of several episodes, so that while you're enjoying a creepy ghost story for the majority of the run time, bookending the episodes would be little character-based encounters that would connect from episode to episode.

And fourth, the embedded narrative function, like many before them, allows the Midnight Society to set up both the themes of the story being told, as well as a bit of background on their characters as the episode begins. With a little over 20 minutes to tell each story every week, that's a lot to ask for to get caught up to speed on fresh characters and a new setting every time. The narrative function may be a cheap way at disseminating information to the audience about the story, but it gives you everything you need to know about your characters and who they are, without wasting any time away from the main storyline trying to set up any logical reasoning for who the characters are and why they do what they do over the course of the episode.

Goosebumps on the other hand did the exact opposite. For the most part, there is no embedded narration, or even a narrator setting up the story. R.L. Stine did make a handful of appearances setting up the episodes of some of the show's most popular two-parters, but for the most part the show is completely absent of this device. It's not conventional for the genre, but to me it works really well.

Rather than framing the story as being a fictional story told by kids around a campfire or an omnipresent narrator, when each episode begins we're dropped into the world of the story. As far as we're concerned, the world of each story IS the real world, and thus, has a different feel to it because of that. It's almost like the story is dropped into a real world where, at first, everything is typical, normal, perhaps mundane. As the story progresses, the kids at the centre of the story discover an aberration, something disturbing and frightening that should exit in the conjunction of the world we live it. Sometimes these creatures stand out and are completely incongruent with the real world setting, which is kind of the point: these creatures shouldn't exist.

Without getting too pretentious about the whole thing, it's almost like Goosebumps is saying "there's lots of mysterious things in the world around us that exist side-by-side without making their presence known, and if we're one of the (un)lucky ones then we might be the ones to discover it." And when you really think about that idea from a child's perspective, isn't that the perfect set up for a kid's show?

If there's one thing kid's never have a shortage of it's their imagination, and letting that imagination run wild; sometimes just for fun, sometimes because they genuinely fear something terrible (if completely) implausible will happen. Even if some kids objectively know these creatures don't exist, does that really stop any of them from hoping, fearing, imagining or searching for the existence of such creatures? To bring a little of that terrifying magic into their own lives?

On a side note, while Goosebumps may not feature an embedded narrative structure on a consistent basis, this begs an honest question: did Goosebumps need a set up? Without having the exact figures in front of me, Goosebumps was far and away the most successful book franchise of all time in the '90s, and even when you consider how the likes of Harry Potter have come along to squash that record, Goosebumps is still right up there to this day.

Point being, Goosebumps didn't need a weekly setup for each episode because most kids tuning in every week were already reading the books. How many of these kids tuned in hoping to catch TV versions of their favourite Goosebumps books on a weekly basis? I'm willing to bet it was a majority of them, and if that's the case then did these episodes really need a setup when kids likely knew the stories already? In a weird way, actually, since R.L. Stine did make that Rod Serling-esque cameo on a number of two-parters, it developed an indicator of its own, letting the viewer know that because Stine was introducing the episode that it had a more special aura surrounding it than the others, and most of the time those episodes in particular were the best.

So, again, both shows set their stories up in two completely different styles, but they both worked for what each show was going for. Both are still very much the same in content, but different in their execution.

I'm be back to add more to this thread, but it's just really fun to think about all the ways these shows separated themselves from each other, and the moments the came back together in how they were both able to chill us to the bone.

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2. What were the stories being told?

The simplistic version of this one is that both shows revolved around the supernatural and the eerie. They basically covered the three major genres (Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Horror) and featured a cast of ghoulish characters that any young child could name (vampires, mummies, werewolves, etc.). That said, the stories in both shows weren't always structured the same or with the same intent.

AYAOTD, with it's embedded narrative style, was a primarily theme driven show, and would use the Midnight Society bookends to introduce a theme prevalent in the story being told, as well as to conclude the theme with a "lesson learned" type of resolution between the Midnight Society members.

I think out of all the aspects that caused my proverbial pendulum to swing back in AYAOTD's favour over the years was how each story was driven by a relatable idea, by something that most kids in one form or another experienced or went through at some point. Given that this is an anthology genre show, it's no wonder AYAOTD was as successful as it was.

If you go back to classics like The Twilight Zone, you really understand the power that working in the Fantasy genre grants you. Why has that particular show endured as one of TV's greatest of all time? Because it's able to impart very interesting, complex ideas in a manner that is both accessible and entertaining (as opposed to the monotony of a straight-forward drama). AYAOTD's themes may not have stretched as far or complex as The Twilight Zone, but the same basic principle is the same.

Need some stories that manifest themselves as morality tales about guilt over past wrong doings? Look no further than episodes like Tale of the Water Demons and Tale of Dead Man's Float, but in looking at those episodes, thematically they also double as stories about rebellious youth (Water Demons) and overcoming childhood fears, like swimming (Dead Man's Float)

Need a good story about lost love or losing someone important in your life? Then Tale of the Dream Girl, Tale of the Shiny Red Bicycle, and Tale of the Jagged Sign could be your story. Tale of Dark Music has you covered for bullying, Tale of the Pinball Wizard for video game addiction and trust, Tale of the Phone Police for the consequences of our actions, Tale of Apartment 214 for the importance of friendship and keeping our promises, and the list goes on and on.

Ultimately, this turned into one of AYAOTD's biggest strengths. Not every episode had a monster and not every story was meant to be scary, or was actually scary. This was emphasized in the cast of characters for the Midnight Society and the types of stories they would tell. For example, while Gary would tell stories about magic and the supernatural, Betty Ann would go a more dark, macabre route, or Sam would tell stories with strong themes of love.

Ultimately, I think what defined AYAOTD's stories was not just the themes but the diversity in stories and tones. They knew what kind of stories they wanted to tell and they told them in a myriad of ways, and they were always topics that most kids could relate to.

Goosebumps was not too dissimilar from that line storytelling; after all, it was a kid's show, too, and would have stories largely focusing issues surrounding children, but when looking at the large majority of Goosebumps episodes, it didn't have that strong thematic focus in that it knew what its story wanted to say.

Goosebumps episodes were more like creature-features, as the characters would be living their daily lives until they stumbled upon an apparition of some sort, and thus the real conflict begins. This could be anything from a vampire's underground tomb in Vampire Breath, to your librarian turning out to be a monster in The Girl Who Cried Monster, to your lawn ornaments coming to life in Revenge of the Lawn Gnomes.

This isn't to say that there were no prevalent themes in any of the episodes, but for the most part the issue is a creature shows up and the child has to find a way to kill it. Very rarely did the monsters allow for a cathartic moment of realization where the characters worked out what issues were initially plaguing them in the beginning through taking the creatures out.

There is one very clear theme used on a consistent basis in the show:

The first was the constant presence of authority figures and how they undermine the knowledge of the main characters. What child has never felt this way at any point in their young life? They feel like adults ignore them or don't take their claims seriously, and even though they are the designated protectors of the innocent and helpless, they often feel like they're not all there.

The Girl Who Cried Monster is an episode that did a great job at this, where the main character's parents not only refuse to believe her story about the librarian being a monster but her parents take the whole thing in stride. Is it something to take seriously? To them, not at all, but to the main character whose perspective and experiences we're privy to, we know better.

To add more complexity to the situation, not only do authority figures fail to recognize the horror of a situation that the children do, but often in Goosebumps the authority figure turns out to be the perpetrators themselves. The librarian in The Girl Who Cried Monster is the most immediate example of this, but then look at episodes like Piano Lessons Can Be Murder, My Hairiest Adventure, The Scarecrow Walks at Midnight, A Shocker on Shock Street, and so on. So if adults won't listen to you and they may also be in on the evil-doings, then where can you go for help? Who can you trust?

The best example of this in Goosebumps is arguably Welcome to Camp Nightmare, where our main character is asked to follow a specific set of tasks laid down before him by the camp counselors while knowing that something unsettling is going on behind the scenes. Eventually when he gets pushed he starts pushing back, not allowing authority to warp his sense of what he knows to be true, and in it's own way, the episode encourages children to not only stand up for what they know is right, but that the authorities you deal with may not be the most honest or helpful when you need them most. In a way, it's the least "monstrous" episode of Goosebumps, but one of their most powerful episodes thematically.

While this the following isn't exactly a theme in its own right, it is an idea that's pervasive throughout the show: the desire to scare or be scared. How many times in episodes, a lot of the time in the opening scene, are we introduced to characters who are either being scared or doing the scaring? It happens in pretty much every episode, and while it's an obvious point to say "it's a kids horror show, so of course something like this would happen in every episode," I think that's missing the fundamental message that a show like Goosebumps is trying to send its audience.

Whether they're the ones being scared or doing the scaring, there's this strong thrill on both sides when it happens. Hell, some times it's done almost as a casual greeting between two strangers; "Never met you before? Why don't I scare you to break the ice!" Though it's not a ground-breaking point or observation, it sends a clear message as to what Goosebumps thinks of its audience: deep down we love being scared and getting that rise out of others. We love the thrill and the suspense, and in its own way it's a strange source of fun for children. Jack Black echoed similar sentiments when promoting the Goosebumps movie, because after two decades nothing much has really changed in the Goosebumps philosophy: it's fun to get scared.

The last point in regards to Goosebumps story telling is the obvious recurring point: the twist. Every Goosebumps episode ends with a twist. Some of them work and are warranted and effective, others really don't make sense at all and are just there to offer one last thrill before the show ends.

This isn't to say that AYAOTD didn't have twist endings of its own, but for the most part AYAOTD had a happy ending, or something relatively optimistic or conclusive. In Goosebumps, the twist is paramount, and in most cases they were of the sardonic nature.

This included twist endings where the monster isn't really dead, or the potential for another monster to turn up is immediate, or even after the heroes escape the threat still exists, or one of the main characters doesn't come out of the situation quite right. In a way, the idea of the twist was loved more tan the logical nature of what the twist was; if you watched Goosebumps, you knew at the end a twist was coming, and that's all that mattered.

So, looking at both shows and the nature of their stories, it's easy to see where they differ and where they relate. Both share the desire for their audience to get wrapped up in the excitement for half an hour, but whereas AYAOTD wants you to get scared in the context of what the characters are dealing with and need to resolve, Goosebumps cares more about the experience of having fun while getting scared in spite of the story most of the time.

Both work, but in their own ways.

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I felt that the main differences are : are you afraid was more serious in tone and when it was good it was at it's best. The weak episodes were stronger than goosebumps and even it's best felt kinda cartoonish.

Also goosbumps had good episodes in it's later run while the latter was terrible.

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I wouldn't say that "the weak episodes were stronger than Goosebumps."

There were certainly some Goosebumps episodes that I'd take over many AYAOTD episodes. In fact, I'd say Goosebumps' "The Haunted Mask" may even be the best single episode between either show. Even as an adult I find that shit creepy, which I can't say for any of the AYAOTD episodes I've seen.

Also, the production values of Goosebumps tended to be a little higher.

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