I've seen this movie a few times now and i'm still wondering if Michelle is the one that bit him. We see that she is a wolf at the end of the film, but we never see her get bit. I still can't figure it out...Great film by the way..It deserves a higher rating!
shareDefinitely not. There's nothing to suggest that she is, plus, when Nicholson's character turns into a wolf for real (as opposed to a wolf man), there's no turning back. He doesn't become human again, so there's no reason to think that Pfieffer's character would change between the two. Also, the Indian mystic who Nicholson visits tells him something to the effect of "some people are so wild that they do not need to be bitten, the demon wolf is already within them". This line must have significance to one of the characters, otherwise it wouldn't be in the movie. It must be intended to relate to Pfieffer's transformation at the end as she is the only character in the film who becomes a werewolf without being bitten.
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shareIts pretty obvious that Jack turns Michelle into a wolf through sex. The man Jack goes to for help says that even the act of making love to a werewolf is enough. PAY ATTENTION!
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"The man Jack goes to for help says that even the act of making love to a werewolf is enough"
I haven't seen this film in a while, but I really don't think he says that.
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You are wacky if you are saying just because she is "wild" she is turning into a wolf. There was nothing to indicate she was wild. She seemed docile. I also wondered if she was the original wolf. but I wondered that at the beginning and decided NO her character was too horrified over Jack's behavior.
Obviously, their intimate contact caused it. We are talking about exchange of saliva--that alone could do it, since it occurred at night, but sex would probably do it too.
however I think she got scratched or bitten by James Spader. Question is how did he become a wolf?
Jack bit him when he (Spader) tried to keep him from going up and discovering his wife.
share"You are wacky if you are saying just because she is "wild" she is turning into a wolf. There was nothing to indicate she was wild. She seemed docile."
"Wild" is perhaps the wrong way of putting it (I think he says a person's "passion" or something similar would do it), but that's the explanation, she had it naturally within her to turn into a wolf, she is an example of what the Indian doctor was talking about when he said not all people need to be bitten to turn.
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You are wacky if you are saying just because she is "wild" she is turning into a wolf. There was nothing to indicate she was wild. She seemed docile. I also wondered if she was the original wolf. but I wondered that at the beginning...
He says that "passion" can turn someone into a wolf. So, strong feelings and sex (Michelle Pfieffer falls in love with Jack Nicholson) are what turn her into a wolf.
shareyeah that was very obvious,, I think they talk about contagious passion or something like that..did'nt remember well,
shareIt was also said, "not all people who are bitten change to the wolf. An analogue of the wolf." I think during there hook up, she transferred the curse of the wolf. Also, said:
"one doesnt even need to be bitten, the passion of the wold if enough"
Bingo. "The passion of the wolf is enough." I think it's pretty safe to infer that Laura was "infected" by Will during their night of passion. Also, it's unlikely that Laura was the original wolf that bit Will, otherwise the horses should have been afraid of her (a predator) as they were of Will after he was bitten.
shareExcellent point.
shareIt was a real wolf that bit Jack at the beginning of the movie. On his hand. In New England.
shareJwarren2001 & riveroserik, You got it. She was given the "wolf essence" or whatever you call it when she had sex with Will. No way was she the wolf that bit him. She was way too freaked out by what the cop told her about the canine DNA they found in Mrs. Randall's wounds. When she goes back to the car and he comes up behind her, she is very jumpy. Had she been the wolf who bit him, she wouldn't have been.
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I thought Spader's wolf bit her in that end scene.
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Yeah, thats how i remember it. Pretty sure Spader bites her in the last scene of the movie when they are fighting eachother in the horse stable. She turns into a full wolf a lot quicker than Jack's transformation though so its kinda weird. It's on now so ill have to look for that.
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This!!!! What are all you people talking about with the transference of the wolf essence through sex? It was very clear that James Spader bit/scratched her.
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I just saw the movie for the first time and thought it was amazing, extremely underrated and not well known enough. From the very beginning the first scene they do together, I thought it was strange how he just randomly ran into her. And to me I think she is the original wolf that bit him. The things that made me think that is how strange it was that they ran into each other like that, and how from the beginning they had a chemistry and he was almost drawn to her. I don't think she was changed through sex, because his wife wasn't and she had sex with both men that became werewolves after they were bitten and she didn't become one. I know what the man said that he talked to "passion" but I think that was added in there just to make you think. They never said she couldn't hear the phone ringing or that she was scared...I'm still not quite sure what to think of her going to the police, but it doesn't change the way I see it. The thing that stands out to me, is am I the only one who noticed how old the photos he was looking at in her house looked?? And how strange that two people in her family die..her brother being psycho and the way Jack described her and how she acted sounds to me like she was keeping secrets from people. But the end, when she mentions what the officers had drank..instead of being shocked her dad laughed. And when her eyes glowed yellow that did it for me. Neither one of the other characters that turned to werewolves eyes were that color, but her eyes were the same color as the one in the beginning. And her dad didn't question her on how nonchalant she seemed about the whole ordeal. She didn't have enough time to transform is she had gotten scratched in the fight and all of it just seems to point toward her being the original werewolf to me =)
shareI am so glad this thread was opened - I totally agree, Michelle (Laura) WAS the wolf that bit him. That fade out scene between Laura's eyes and that of the Vermont wolf was meant to elude to that. I think Laura knew what her father was doing to Will, I think she sought him out in a way. I think she was testing his worth - all the stuff in between was a ruse for the viewing audience to throw us off the fact that she was the mastermind. Sex couldn't have been the transferring factor, otherwise Mrs. Randall would have been a wolf, too. Great movie. Love the Morricone soundtrack. All hail the Spader!
share^How could that be? She didn't have supersonic hearing, she didn't have supersonice smelling and why weren't the animals afraid of her?????
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You know, I been rethinking my analysis of the situation lately, and it seems another poster was right, the passion of the wolf was enough to change Michelle's character. I now believe that she became a wolf after sleeping with Will.
share^^Agreed, that last shot of her before the fade to black made me think the same. She had to be the one was watching Jack take off in his car after he was bitten.
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No, or the horse would have been afraid of her, like Jack.
The only thing that makes sense is that her "turning" began when she made love to Jack. She was bitten by Spader, I think, but the time wouldn't have been adequate to do anything to her, based on how it went with Jack. By the end of the movie, only a few minutes after the fight with Spader, she was clearly "turning" and knew what she was.
The reason Jack's wife didn't turn, after making love to him, is probably that she was killed too soon afterward.
no. i don't believe so. i see nothing to connect michelle's character with the original werewolf. she was far too easily subdued by james spader's werewolf AND! the horses were mortally terrified of Will when he was barely even beginning to feel his wolf nature. yet michelle's character could ride the horses without difficulty EXCEPT when Will appeared & frightened the manure out of them.
shareSomeone should post a pic of the "turned" Michelle. Sexy, right?
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I posted this in another thread, but considering the debate it is worth posting here:
Throughout the film Laura was not a Wolf, she became one later.
There is an underlying theme throughout the film of being bitten and turning into a Wolf. Will was bitten, Stewart was bitten, and the Dr. asked to be bitten to become one.
I doubt sex is enough to become a Wolf, or Will’s wife would have changed in the days that followed after making love. While I agree with the Dr.’s belief that one doesn’t have to be bitten to become one, and that the passion of the wolf alone can make one change.
Had Laura this passion she would have turned into a Wolf earlier in the film. We can agree that if she did not spend the night with Will she wouldn’t have become one. Something had to have happened the night she spent with him….
Most likely Will bit her. He did “turn” that night, biting her would be hard to avoid. A little nibbling easily turned into a bite:), as they were making “noises.” Especially with Will being the animal he is, I doubt he could control himself:)
Just like Will began to have heightened senses a couple of days after being bitten, it would make sense that Laura would exhibit these characteristics in relatively the same time after being bitten by Will.
i have seen some werewolf movies where the person who kills the werewolf becomes a werewolf.
shareOkay, is it funny to anyone else that everyone on here refers to the characters by using the actor's names. LOL!
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whatever the explanation, this scene is so chilling and romantic at the same time - just great
... made me whish for a time I could become a werewolf, too (:-)
i thought pfieffer became the wolf from sex with nicholson...what i took from the convo with the mystic is that many things can turn you into a werewolf, not just the obvious, getting bit
i agree that nicholson's unfaithful wife could have become a werewolf had she not been killed...pfeiffer understood that there were werewolves about, while in the police station when she asks spader if he had been bit...when she realized that she too was becoming a werewolf, she liked it (everyone that turned, enjoyed being a wolf) and she was prepared...
great scene, pfeiffer looked fantastic!!,
interesting side note, jack nicholson, the actor can actually turn women into wolves, bears, and any other damn thing he wishes, but he can control it.
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Who's to say that Nicholson's wife didn't turn into a wolf after sex with him? What was she doing in Central Park in the middle of the night? Possibly on the prowl herself.
Maybe next time you post, don't give away a twist of the movie in the title of your thread. Common IMDb courtesy.
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