Is this the only movie in a series/franchise... - Wes Craven's New Nightmare (1994) Discussion

[–] Littlebitsofgaming 10 years ago

Except for it being a sequel you mean?

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[–] michaeluk26 10 years ago

Its not really a sequel though. It does not follow or adhere to anything the previous films have set up. Its a hard movie to label. Its probably a spin off and that does not even do it justice. Its the best film outside of the original and the series goes full circle. Stand alone is probably the best way to describe it.

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[–] Littlebitsofgaming 10 years ago

It does not follow or adhere to anything the previous films have set up.

Does it not?
Let's look at it this way, a good knowledge of the first film is what makes this film so much more enjoyable. Now while one can just watch this film on it's own...unless you have seen the first film and know it, quite a lot of this film goes over your head.

It's more of a sequel than any of the other sequels in the series. It has many more connections to the first film and even a continual story/plot/characters, etc.
Where as the other sequels really have nothing connecting them other than tenuous links and Freddy himself.

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[–] michaeluk26 10 years ago

You did bring up some good points. When you think of it that way then yeah i guess calling it a sequel fits.

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[–] hurricanehorton 10 years ago

Also, if you don't count it as a sequel, you could argue that it's a spin off.

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[–] Littlebitsofgaming 10 years ago

Part 2 had Nancy's diary.

Which really added nothing to the plot.
As I said, a tenuous link.

Part 3 had Nancy and Donald.

Nancy played a part I admit, but it was not a role that "needed" to be nancy and Donald was nothing but a mere cameo.
As I said, a tenuous link.

Part 4 carried over Kincaid, Joey, and Kristen.

Two of which were killed pretty quickly and the other later.
All of which had nothing to do with the original.
As I said, a tenuous link.

Part 5 carried over Alice and Dan.

Who also had nothing to do with the original.
As I said, a tenuous link.

Parts 1-5 have a very tight knit continuity.

No really they don't.
A few passing references and characters that killed off quickly are not "tight knit".
As I said, a tenuous links.

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[–] NESPlayer 10 years ago

It's more of a sequel than any of the other sequels in the series.

That's not quite right.

Sure, there are many more allusions to the first movie. But it's still not a sequel in the classical sense.

The first six movies are supposed to play in the same universe: It's a string of events that happens over a longer time period in the same universe. Even if the plots are not that much connected in some cases, it's still the same world.

"New Nightmare" on the other hand plays in another continuity altogether. A continuity where the previous movies are just movies.

You cannot really use the ties between the movies to answer the question if it's a sequel:

"Fray the Vampire Slayer" plays in the distant future, having very few ties to "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", but it is a sequel because it tells what happens in the Buffyverse in a few hundred years.

On the other hand, a movie about a bunch of "Buffy" fans traveling through the country to attend a convention is not a "Buffy" sequel, even if this movie has 1000 allusions to the original series.

Nancy's diary may have no impact on the plot. But it establishes that the events of "Nightmare 1" happened in the same world that "Nightmare 2" plays in. The world of "Nightmare 2" is the world of "Nightmare 1" five years later.

On the other hand, in "New Nightmare", all the ties to "Nightmare 1" are just allusions to things that happened in a movie.

Sure, you need to know the first movie to fully understand "New Nightmare". But only in the way you need to know the game "Donkey Kong" to understand the documentary "The King of Kongs". But "The King of Kongs" is surely no sequel to Mario's adventures.

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[–] NESPlayer 10 years ago

Is this the only movie in a series/franchise...
...that's neither a sequel, prequel, remake, spinoff, crossover, reboot, preboot, inbetweenquel or reimagining?

The only other possible one as far as I know would be Halloween 3: Season of the Witch...

"Season of the Witch" doesn't really match. While this movie establishes that "Halloween I" and "II" are movies inside this continuity, "Season of the Witch" has no ties whatsoever to "Halloween I" and "II".
So, "Season of the Witch" is more like Ryu and Ken playing "Mega Man" on their NES.

If you want a more straight example, have a look at "Shadow of the Vampire". It's a movie about the making of the movie "Nosferatu". And the twist is that the actor of Count Orlock, Max Schreck, is an actual vampire.
I guess this movie comes closest to Wes Craven's idea.

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[–] PandoraTheEverCurious 10 years ago

I consider this to be an alternate universe film, but call it a spin-off if you must. Alternate universe meaning they are outside the "movie realm" and Heather realizing that Freddy has somehow come to life in the real world.

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[–] dandeblasio 9 years ago

the human centipedes are the same way. they both acknowledge and refer the previous films as movies instead of actual "movie life events"

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[–] pauladowell 9 years ago

according this this site, it would be called a "Starquel"
https://thesequelbook.wordpress.com/sequel-definitions/

Starquel: movies that feature the actors playing very similar roles as they did in previous movies but different characters

Same Actors/Different characters , in this case, themselves

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[–] bossdog677 9 years ago

This movie is a sequel as number 7 is a greater number than number 1, it is also both a remake and reimagining of the original, it's tries to be a prequel unto itself saying this is what happened before this very movie was made and is a crossover of Freddy and real life

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[–] bossdog677 9 years ago

And a spinoff of the series

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