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Andy and Red had to leave the USA to find their Happily Ever After


What does that tell you about the country? It's a shithole?

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Andy had no choice to leave the country he was an escape convict.

Sure, Andy was, technically, wrongfully convicted but it’s not as if him being convicted was a conspiracy against him. The facts leading to the case painted him as the only suspect. It was the logical explanation to the courts that he did it.

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Despite Tommy's story, Andy was still the strongest suspect in that murder.

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That’s precisely what i said.

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Yes, I agreed with your point. Where we differ is where you say that Andy was wrongfully convicted.

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The written story from King states that he is wrongly convicted. In both the film and novella.

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I haven't read the book, but certainly not in the film.

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Andy didn't have to leave the U.S. He had a new identity complete with a SSI number, passport, work history, etc. He was just eliminating any possibility of being identified.

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He sent the evidence to the reporter after he cleaned out the bank accounts. That new identity was compromised. Besides even if it wasn't, he would still have to look over his shoulder for pursuers as long as he was in the U.S.

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That's true, I think the cooked ledger was in the outgoing mail.

Andy *could* have conjured another identity using the same methods he used to create Randall Stevens.

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Yeah, it's better to live in Mexico, anyway. As Red eventually found out, too.

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Yes, two men out of a country of 196.6 million (1966 population -- that's the year Andy escapes in the movie) leave, Andy because he's an escaped convict, and Red because he simply chooses to follow his friend. Yes, that's a reasonable basis to extrapolate an entire country is a shithole. SMDH.

Meanwhile, just a few years earlier, from 1959-1962, 248,100 refugees fled Cuba to the United States, the first wave in a series of migrations from Cuba to the US that continues to this day. And of course, there are the waves of immigrants from the rest of Latin America who are also pouring in. For a shithole country, it sure seems like an awful lot of people want to get in.

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I'm moving to Canada. It's way better there. I like Trudeau's style, too. Fascism is in!

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Well, Trudeau can certainly rock that 'do!!

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