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This movie was better than The Dark Knight


It's less serious, sure, but it's also much less ridiculous. Way better than most superhero movies when it comes to set design, costuming, casting, etc. It's just a classy movie; no wonder it's basically forgotten. Who's with me?

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Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy this movie. However, I'm not going to lie. I do think The Dark Knight is better. Naturally though that's just in my own opinion. I however might say that it's either for me tied with Batman '89, or potentially even above all of the Burton/Schumacher films.

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Actually, I think The Shadow is a better film overall than any of the older batman films. I do love the older Bat flicks for what they are, but the stories really were a mess. The Shadow had a better screenplay, I think, and certainly a very stylistic, visual treat that beats even Burton's Batman Returns, which is the most visually interesting of the four older Bat flicks. But regardless of personal opinions and taste, The Shadow is NOT a better made film than Nolan's Batman flicks, all things considered. But I personally do get more enjoyment from The Shadow. It has that rewatchability factor for me that Nolan's films do not.

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I actually on further recollection would probably agree with you. As said before the only film I had in contention with it was Tim Burton's first movie. But I would agree. There is a quite a bit more done with Cranston character-wise in this film than Wayne in that one for instance. (A better defined character arc and struggle) And that would probably be the big tipping point. It's also easily as interesting (if not moreso, though I do prefer Batman's look to Returns but naturally that's just IMO) as it as well. And also I can understand your feelings towards this film in relation to the Nolan films. Personally I find both quite rewatchable, but I can understand why this would be moreso for others.

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I can't put my finger on it, but I just have no desire to revisit the Nolan films. When I've seen them and enjoyed them, that's it. I feel no need to watch them again. They are good films and I have very little that I would gripe about with them. They are solid, well made movies, and I do think he offered up one of the best trilogies out there that kept the quality at a higher level throughout than most other trilogies manage to do, and yes, I even include things Like Star Wars and Indiana Jones as trilogies that took dips in quality as they went on. There is a reason people joke about the third movie curse where it all goes wrong, LOL! I know The Dark Knight Rises garnered more criticism than the others, but I still think it was better than most third installments. In any case, I just don't find myself rushing out to buy the Nolan films nor wanting to devote time to seeing them again. The ONLY DVD I have from the series is Batman Begins, and I never watch it, LOL! The same goes for Lord of the Rings, another strong trilogy that is just too exhaustingly long to ever make me want to pop them in. I haven't even bothered with The Hobbit flicks.

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It's less serious, sure, but it's also much less ridiculous.

Nah. It was very ridiculous, especially when compared to 2008's "The Dark Knight".

Way better than most superhero movies when it comes to set design, costuming, casting, etc.

Visually, there was some effort at least. But I've seen much better on other superhero/comic book movies.

It's just a classy movie; no wonder it's basically forgotten. Who's with me?

I'm not with you. This movie is just badly made. Part of it's failure would be in that it was toned down from the environment of it's source material. Yes, this movie was set in the 1930's, Depression era or Prohibition era, but what ruined everything for many people, including me, would be the addition of some campy humor laced into what is supposed to be a very dark, tortured avenger of the night. When doing a movie about this character and the era he's all about, those were very dark times full of despair for many, especially in big cities. To try sugarcoating it with such drops of humor here and there, is not only awkward but very unappealing. That, and that you could tell the movie had some dull moments and it was apparent there was no passion for this movie and the character.

This movie is nowhere close to being a classic. It's very cult in it's fandom. I don't like it, a bunch of other people don't like it. But there are still some other people out there that do like it, given the poor box office performance in the summer of 1994. I'm not really surprised it was just basically forgotten by so many more.

I really like the character. I don't like this movie at all, and it sucks a lot. But what's great is that it was able to introduce a lot of mainstream audiences to this character from the original pulp magazines. That's how I first heard about The Shadow, I got some of the toys from the merchandising that came with the movie and I was immediately hooked on the Shadow. I didn't see the movie at the time because I was too young, but when I did see it many years later, the feeling's still the same. I expected much better and was not impressed. I had done some research into the Shadow and gotten some comic books about him, and I realized it was no wonder why this movie just doesn't cut it for me.

To compare it to The Dark Knight movie, is pointless. I'm a huge fan of Batman, and maybe that's why I thought the Shadow character was so amazing. This appreciation would grow a lot as I got older and realized that the Shadow was one of the main inspirations for the creation of Batman. So, if anything, despite my own criticism of Chris NO-lan(yes, I spelled it that way on purpose), his trilogy of Batmovies are not really my cup of tea. They are so pretentious and spoonfeeds the audiences like they're very stupid. But...I think The Dark Knight is the best out of the trilogy. Given the ultra "realism" that NO-lan demanded for his version of Batman, I felt that Dark Knight had balanced carefully somewhat the comic book elements of Batman into it as opposed to the other 2 in the trilogy. Also, Heath Ledger's performance as Joker, it's truly out of this world. He made that movie.

2008's Dark Knight movie is what many fans for hoping for Batman to have on the big screen, especially me. So inspite of my hesitation of NO-lan being a part of Batman's legacy, I'm glad The Dark Knight put Batman back on the map. At least it was very serious and in no way is it more ridiculous than The Shadow. It's not. It was still a well crafted movie. The visuals are awesome, probably because of the aid of the IMAX cameras used to film some scenes.

Due to the success of the trilogy, it has given me hope that perhaps The Shadow can come back to the big screen in all his dark, ominous glory as he's supposed to, and not something that feels like Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy.

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Well they are two different styles of storytelling about superheroes. Although the way they tried to make Batman more realistic I felt it didn't make sense why Bruce Wayne would choose to dress up like a Bat. In fact it seemed like it was a short term goal of fighting crime, so it would make more sense if he invested his money into giving the local law enforcement better equipment and training. Getting better people hired as well as investing in other social programs to decrease the crime rate.

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I do like The Shadow, but I like The Dark Knight a bit more simply due to Ledger 's performance. He owned that role.

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Overall i think the Dark Knight is Good. But its vastly overrated. Frankly i thought Batman Begins was better. Heath Leger was great a playing the psychopathic side of the Joker. But i think if you got someone who didn't pour himself into role or just wasn't as good. I don't know if there would be much to talk about. I wouldn't call it a perfect movie either. For one the Joker Plan is too good to be true. Somehow the Joker knows that Gordon will be there to arrest him. He knows that Batman will get to Harvey Dent. Before the Police. He Knows the Police will leave him in the interrogation room with unstable cop. Which can manipulate to get out. Finally he knows that the Harvey will go nuts and go on a shooting spree. The only way to explain this is The Joker is a God. Anyways as far as entertainment value. I would rather watch this over the Dark Knight.

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Bat Man movies are ok. They're fun to watch, but at the end of the day, the Shadow character just speaks to me. I like the time period of the 30's, I like the arcitecture, the interior set designs, the period cloths, the glamorous women like Margo & the club singer, the mental powers of the Shadow, the throwback to the old pulp fiction & the radio show, the Shadow's look, the Film Noir feel, the Shadow's guns & every little detail.

For me, it's similar to the difference between a TV show like Agents of Shield, or Agent Carter. For many of the same reasons, even tho AOS is pretty cool & I watch it, I like Agent Carter better. It's just how I'm wired.

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