Why didn't Herb say 'Marty?'
They had to let him win if he got all the questions right.
"It's like I'm talking to my Aunt Sylvia here!"
They had to let him win if he got all the questions right.
"It's like I'm talking to my Aunt Sylvia here!"
They made him believe that if he did his part, he'd have a future in TV, like the panel show he kept mentioning.
shareExactly, he didn't want to screw up any possible future chances to be on TV. The guy wasn't dumb, he knew he'd lose eventually, so he wanted to keep the producers happy so that he could have a way to get back on TV.
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You do know that this happened pretty much at the dawn of television right? Why would he think that they were lying to him?
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As Van Doren explained in the 2008 article he wrote about the scandal for The New Yorker, anyone who didn't go along with the script would lose much of the money he'd won. The contestant wouldn't be in a position to complain or sue, because that would mean admitting the fraud.
shareIf Herb kept getting every answer right, they could not kick him off the show. He made a bad choice.
Rebuild the WTC exactly as before and keep old movies accurate!
Herb wasn't unbeatable; he had been getting the questions all along too. They could have easily beaten him the following week (and cost him all his winnings) by ensuring his opponent had all the answers and Herb got crazy hard questions.
In fact, I've always been curious why they didn't do it that way anyway -- I guess they didn't want to leave anything to chance.
There was more to it than that. Not only did they want Stemple off the show, they wanted Van Doren, specifically, to be the one to replace him. While it's true that Stemple wasn't infallible, he was a pretty smart guy. No matter how tough the questions were, Herb was always a threat to know the answers on his own. If Van Doren lost, they'd still be stuck with Stemple and Van Doren, the one they wanted to promote, would be gone.
shareHerb said in his interviews that he came very close to answering "Marty." However, backed out at the last minute. What amazes me is that so many people went along with the scripted gameplay like they were doing nothing wrong. I recall no Twenty-One winner being forced to forfeit his/her winnings. And I know that some contestants even lied to the grand jury that they had not been coached. Vivian Nearing said she was not coached, but I never believed that. As Herb said in the movie. "You don't fix one guy without fixing the other guy." Both parties had to plan for things to happen. Herb could have said Marty, just like that one contestant in the movie that said "Emily Dickensen" to the poetry question and Jack Barry was taken aback. I wonder what happened to that contestant?
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just like that one contestant in the movie that said "Emily Dickensen" to the poetry question and Jack Barry was taken aback. I wonder what happened to that contestant?
I think that was a fallacy when Stempel said you don't fix one guy without fixing the other guy. Goodwin kind of rolled his eyes at that claim because it was dumb, imo. They can always find clean cut, smart, and attractive contestants. Maybe not from prominent families, but good enough to get high ratings week after week. In a rigged boxing match, you don't care if the winner's fixed, you assume he wants to win, you pay the guy you think is stronger to take a dive / fall. If the strong guy knew the fight was fixed they might throw the fight or not fight as hard and give the paid loser a chance to win (by accident). You can't be sure what people will do. It'd be better if they gave Stempel the wrong answers to several very hard and obscure questions; unless he noticed they were wrong or looked them up, he'd probably lose. Even if he had an instinct they were wrong, he might just go along with it out of laziness, or it might be too difficult to get the answers before a show. He told his wife that he "knew the answers to a good part of the questions," but he could have been exaggerating...
shareLet them ask a Herb question he doesn't know. Yeah, right.
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That's his wife's pride talking. To me, the whole theme of the movie and moral is pride. Van Doren and Stempel are brought down by pride; Herb wants to stay in the spotlight and Van Doren thinks his "years of study and erudition" entitle him to win on a rigged game show and be rich and famous. Van Doren's father has "always been proud" of his son. Dick Goodwin is proud and thinks he's perfect and without sin and can't be tempted to do evil. Just because you haven't been severely tempted and tested doesn't mean you could resist evil always. See what happens in prison or a death camp or torture chamber or if you're starving, freezing, and homeless. I think people are capable of anything given the right situation.
Goodwin's wife is proud of him and herself, thinking he's "ten times the man that Charles Van Doren is, ten times the brain and ten times the human being." And she doesn't know the first thing about him. Stempel calls Van Doren a moron while he sits in underwear spouting trivia to his son. He has done nothing intellectually or of any substance at all, he does not teach or write books or gives lecture or make music or anything else that we know of. Everyone is flawed and capable of good and evil. Nobody has any right to take pride in themselves for the circumstances of their lives, many of which resulted from things they could not control, including their energy and mood and temperament and personality, their family and peers, their environment, their thoughts, their interests, their aspirations. Pride is a despicable trait.
They also had a deal with him where his winnings were capped in real life. Recall that he quotes Dan Enright sitting in his kitchen and saying how would you like to win an exact sum of money. If he had answered "Marty," he would have to either walk away the next game (feeling disgraced probably) or risk the money and go on playing when they stop giving him answers and start giving only hard questions in his weakest categories (like physics, which he noted).
shareI was hoping Herb would answer "Marty". His wife was right. I guess it was a tough decision for him. He made the mistake of believing the huge steaming pile of b.s. from the producers. I guess he did not want to jeopardize what they had offered.
shareHe should have just answered right and walked away with his winnings at the beginning of the next show. It was pride that brought Stempel and Van Doren down. That was the whole theme and moral of the movie. Stempel's wife was proud of him, his neighbors were proud, and everybody swallowed a bunch of crap that some schmuck would know the name and sex of Paul Revere's horse and who loaned it to him and so on. Goodwin and his wife are proud, thinking themselves without sin and couldn't even be tempted. Just because you have NOT been tempted doesn't mean you can't be in the right circumstances. Put somebody in jail, war zone, death camp, torture room, or starving and freezing and see what they do.
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