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Court decision - overlooked flaw?


I liked this remake, and i applaude them for trying a different angle for the judge to arrive at his decision.

My problem is...i think they missed the point of the case.

In both movies (the remake and the original),
the hearing was to decide the mental state of Kris, who believed he was Santa Claus.

The original did it well, saying that since the Post Office delivered mail 'addressed to Santa Claus' to Kris at the courthouse, then he must be Santa Claus.

The remake simply stated that if the government could put their 'trust' in God, a being we simply choose to believe in, then there's no reason that Santa Claus couldnt be real as well.

This did not exactly prove that Kris 'was' Santa Claus, it just said that there could be a Santa. It really didnt speak to the mental state of Kris.

The judge's decision, in the remake, could be used just as easily as if "I" said i was God. And that doesnt make much sense.

Am i offbase on this, or did the ruling in the remake not quite fit the reason for the hearing?



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I don't know but the first one felt more real and better. They also do a better job of making the mood more of a Christmas good feeling while this one feels like they are just trying prove if this guy is mental or the real Santa Clause. It's just a movie so it doesn't need to be a perfect line of reasoning so I can accept it.

What I can't accept is that Santa gives into a man's name calling and proceeds to knocks a guy with his cane and the guy falls. Santa would never do that!!

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You have a point there. The US Post Office is an agency of the federal government and Mr. Gailey does point out that they are bound by law to deliever mail to the proper person (though I've had mail for my neighbor delivered here by mistake). So when Judge Mara asked him to provide evidence that Kris is Santa, being able to say the Post Office recgonizes him as such kinda says "do you want to go up against the federal government, your honor?"

Of course it was employees at the Post Office who decided to deliver the letters to lessen their own load in the dead letter office. But that's not really the point, is it. They decided that this one individual who claimed he was Santa was indeed Santa and no other individual was. Think about it, they must have clearly known of other individuals who dressed up as Santa based as much on the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade as anything else. Why not decide before then to deliver the mail to any of Macy's previous Santas or any of the Santas elsewhere in NYC? They talked about how nice it would be to actually deliver the letters, so why this particular Santa? Why, because he was on trial and they knew he himself claimed to be Santa and not just someone who played Santa. They made the decision to provide Santa with his letters at the courthouse. A decision which gave Mr. Gailey the evidence that Kris really was Santa. That is what decided the case, evidence that someone else besides Kris and little children truely viewed him to be Santa.

But here there no such thing. Sure the judge says there can be such a person as Santa, but in doing so he pretty much dismissed the case. So all we know is that the judge says Santa exsists, not that Kris is Santa. That means Mr. Bedford could make the claim he's Santa, or Ms. Walker can make the claim she is. Heck even Susan can make the claim. So who really is Santa? That's unanswered which makes the trial pointless.

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You aren't missing anything. I thought the same thing. Never does it come into play that Kris is Santa. Only that there is a Santa. Also, little Susan NEVER would have been able to walk up to the judge and just hand him a Christmas card. In the original, this was THE scene. I didn't feel anything remotely warm and fuzzy during the remakes court scene.

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I didn't feel anything warm and fuzzy through the majority of the remake, tbh.
There was something terribly sad and bitter about the entire remake that wasn't in the original.

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Love the remake, hate the court decision scene. Nothing beats the postal people piling up letters several feet deep on the judges bench.

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The remake leaves me kind of cold, as well.
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"The remake simply stated that if the government could put their 'trust' in God, a being we simply choose to believe in, then there's no reason that Santa Claus couldnt be real as well."

If I remember it rightly, the judge said that if the People -- the same force that validated the existence of God on currency -- trusted in Kris' claim that he was Santa Claus (with their "I believe" posters and so forth), Kris must therefore be right... and, therefore, he is sane.

But it's still screwy logic. By the judge's reasoning, you simply need to get enough people to believe in you in order to pass yourself off as Santa or whoever.

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WHAT?!!!! NOT EMOTIONAL?!!!! WTF?!!!

Sorry, but compare the two scenes... the judges speech in the 1994 remake is far more emotionally stirring than the original... Not that I am knocking the original, but frankly I think this version had a much, much more emotional/sentimental tone than the original... the musical scoring, the dialogue (which admittedly has one or two moments where it is a little more heavy handed than needed, but mostly wonderful).

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I think you all may be overlooking the fact that the judge just wanted a reason to find Kris not guilty and used the "in God we trust" angle as something to hang his hat on. He didn't want to incur the ill will of the entire city. Remember the scene the night before where he tells the attorney privately, "believe me, if i had a way out of this, i'd take it".

What offended me most about the scene is that the judge (who i assume is an atheist) states that Santa is JUST as real as God.

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Santa is just as real as God. ;)

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Why can't Santa be just as real as God?
I think for a lot of people, a lot of children, Santa is God or a god.

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So many holes in this movie (as opposed to the original), but this was the biggest. I had to jump quick to avoid being hit by the semi truck that drove through this hole. Thanks for stating it so well!

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Of course, IRL, judges do whatever they want. They strike down laws they don't like and hide behind the constitution of it all. So really, the judge's decision is probably realistic in it's absurdity.

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I would really like to know why John Hughes wrote this ridiculous courtroom finale. As others here have stated, the judge's decision didn't even prove that Kringle is Santa Claus!

That's a serious flaw.

Why didn't Hughes simply use the "letters" finale from the original film? I don't get it.

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