Eric had aids and in the end when they were wrestling with wounds and blood all over the place isn't it pretty obvious they got infected?
I don't Avary thought of this possibility?
Exactly what I thought first time I saw it.
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I don't Avary thought of this possibility?
Actually Avary did think of this possibility. A warning about social responsibility and AIDS is the prime theme of the film! To paraphrase, when Zed and Zoe are discussing his injury, Zed states that "it's mostly his (Eric's) blood." If you watch the last scene again you'll hear it. Zed's fate represents the danger risky behavior presents even when undertaken in a calculated manner. By allowing himself to be pushed into the riskier adventures of a more dangerous group of young men, "just this once" heroin use, violent crime, even unprotected sex in the men's room (although it appears Zed himself did not participate in that way) embodies the carlessness of even relatively responsible people that can accelerate the spread of HIV/AIDS. I am not trying to preach, but that's what I got out of the film. Building a story which translates casual sex and I.V. drug use into bank robbery, and then unleashing disaster on all the perpetrators is an AIDS allegory. The point is hammered home when we realize that Zed and Zoe, though they escaped the robbery, did not survive. That's the reason for the title.
shareCorrect me if im wrong but Eric falls on Zed's chest after he got ventilated and I think he is referring to the blood on his shirt etc when he says "it was mostly Eric's blood". Also a couple drops of AIDS in a wound wont cause infection.
share"A couple drops of (blood infected with) AIDS in a wound wont cause infection"
Yeah, just like a couple drops of seemen... Or anal sex really quick.
May I suggest an HIV test my friend?
I totally agree : when Eric is shot we can see his blood exploding everywhere, even in Zoe's face whit her mouth wide open (cameo of You wanna SPIT on me? SPIT in my mouth!), everybody in the same room SHOULD have aids by now, except the pigy cops who were with gaz masks. What happened there Avary?
And by the way, Killing Zoe means Killing life cause "Zoe in greek means life"(Avary said this on the 3 DVD collector).
This is the best *beep* day of my life (Eric)
You people need to educate yourself on the facts surrounding HIV transmission.
It would have been very very unlikely for both zed and zoe to become infected in this manner. Yes blood to blood contact is a risk - but Eric's blood would've had to be poured directly into an open wound for transmission to take place. Anything else is just a theoretical guess.
And as far as blood in Zoe's mouth giving her AIDS - transmission simply doesn't work that way - HIV is much too fragile to survive outside the human body much less amidst a persons saliva.
I am going to sound completely stupid, but when is it mentioned he has AIDs? I must have missed that bit.
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Ah, no wait I've read the other messages and I've realised I've seen the non-AIDs vserion. What a stupid thing to cut!
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Dont forget Eric Stoltz has a huge cut on his face, so we can assume there is a possibility of him being infected.
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Well Avary knows for sure. He has his proposed sequel in his head where Zed and Zoe escape to Monaco to a casino to hole up with Zed's twin brother.
It is certainly is intended as an open ending regardless of the logic. There being the slightest possibility makes it interesting. Hey maybe Eric had his way with Zed whilst he was zonked out on drugs ;)
Most people think HIV is very infectious but it is not. You can pull some HIV blood in a bathtube and bath in it without getting infected somehow, but if you put for example Hepatitis C blood, just one drop, inside it, it's high infectious, so you won't become infected my being splattered with aids blood
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A couple of drops of AIDS in a wound won't cause infection.
Are you kidding?
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Yeah, but Zed had that huge slash on his face, courtesy of Eric, so I think the implication is that Eric's blood splashed into that wound. I'm not crazy about the outcome tho; I liked Zed. Aside from being a criminal, he was a likable guy.
And please don't make any ignorant assumptions about HIV, "a couple drops of AIDS in a wound wont cause infection"; all it takes is ONE single "cell" of it to infect you. It's biological makeup is such that it cannot be detected by the human immune syst AND it kills those cells too.
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What everyone is arguing about in this thread is pointless!
The point is whether they did get infected, however miniscule the chance, or not, Avery purposely left it up to the viewer to decide. Arguing over if it they had it or not is futile because this isn't a matter of research or facts.
Thats whats so great about what Avery did, no matter what your opinion on the matter, everyone did think about it after viewing the film. The only fact of the matter is that anythings possible.
I suspect the lunacy of Eric to some extent reflects urban myths about the sexual irresponsibility of Michel Foucault in the last years of his life.
But judging by the title of the film only Zoe, basically an ordinary Frenchwoman, has been infected.
I think the movie is partly about American perceptions of the French, particularly French "Theory" (eg. Foucault) and French film.
Very multi-layered movie. Scorn it at your peril! Zoe learns this the hard way.
I hear that on the 3-DVD set there is a scene (director's cut or deleted scenes, I'm not sure) where Eric tells Zed he's going to give Zoe AIDS. Has anyone seen this version? Does he? Was this scene removed to give the ending a bit more specualtion as to whether or not they were infected?
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shareSo let me get this straight.
Which one of them had AIDS from the start?
I just gave the film 4/10.
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my version had nothing about AIDs what soever exept for a quick mention when Zoe is kicked out of the hotel room "you could get AIDs" and yes a brutal,bloody brawl with an aids infected person will most certainly give you aids. and he does save Zoe's life. Somewhat towards the end he like pulls the gun away just before the blonde haired guy is going to shoot her
shareI have seen Killing Zoe several times and never saw or noticed the AIDS bit.
I believe that the original French screening had a run time of 99 minutes yet
the IFC TVMA screening will only have 96 minutes - or the same as the R version.
That a possible major element of the film, the AIDS allegory, might have been cut is horrible.
Who knows what butchering goes on behind closed doors of the censors?
I guess because we aficianados are so silent about censorship, the censors get the last cut and we get the milktoast or kiddie version.
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Yes, while they are driving in the car and Zed is tripping out from smoking opium earlier, Eric tells him that he has AIDS from shooting up and Zed thinking he misheard says what..but Eric doesn't mention it again. And it's very possible for both Zed and Zoe to have contracted AIDS when Eric was shot since both of them had multiple cuts and stuff. All it takes is the blood mixing, not like a whole damn transfusion.
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Actually, "a brutal,bloody brawl with an aids infected person" will probably NOT give you HIV (AIDS comes later). It is possible but not likely at all and definitely not "most certainly" going to do so.
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