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Can a rom com without a good romance still work?


I run a blog called Rom Coms and the Real World and recently wrote a review of Four Weddings and a Funeral. I enjoyed lots of elements of this movie but hated the central romantic pairing. Does a rom com need to have a believable romance to be successful? You can read my full thoughts at: http://realworldromcom.blogspot.com/2012/11/review_15.html

There isn’t much of a point to trying to recount the plot of Four Weddings and a Funeral because this film is more of a character piece than anything else. The most interesting dramatic tension comes from the film’s title. We know there are going to be four weddings and a funeral because that’s what the film is called. This gives some sense of rising action to the movie (there’s only one wedding left!), but I wonder what it would be like to watch this film without knowing what it was called. Would it feel more plodding? More aimless? Thankfully, we don’t have to concern ourselves with such concerns because the film’s title is part of its charm. Audiences agreed and in 1994 this movie became the highest grossing British film to date, making over $245 million. It was also nominated for the Oscar for Best Picture, pretty high praise for an unassuming romantic comedy.

The romance in Four Weddings comes secondary to the friendship of a ragtag bunch of weirdos. (It’s like Friends except everyone is Phoebe). At the center of the group is Charles (Hugh Grant), an awkward cad who is both charming and insecure. Scarlet (Charlotte Coleman) is Charles’ roommate, a flaming redhead with disarming honesty. The group’s heart belongs to sensible Matthew (John Hannah) and his boisterous lover Gareth (Simon Callow). Rounding out the company is icily sarcastic Fiona (Kristin Scott Thomas), her awkward, aristocratic brother Tom (James Fleet) and Charles’ optimistic, deaf brother David (David Bower). There’s something slightly morose about each of these friends. It’s like they escaped from a Tim Burton movie and wound up in a quirky British romance, but are determined to make the best of it.

Despite the fact that they don't get a ton of individual screen time, there’s a sense that these characters exist when we’re not seeing them. I realize that sounds a little ridiculous, as they obviously don’t exist when we’re not seeing them, but they feel like real human beings, not stock characters thrown on screen for laughs. The group dynamic makes perfect sense; although they don’t fit with the rest of the world, they fit with each other. When one member of the group dies (I don’t think that’s too much of a spoiler given the film’s title), the loss is palpable. Kristen Scott Thomas and John Hannah (aka that guy from The Mummy) are particular standouts amongst a stellar cast. Thomas displays just the right amount of vulnerability behind her icy exterior and Hannah delivers a dozy of a eulogy that’s heartbreaking, but not mawkish.

Compared to the thespian-glory of her costars, Andie MacDowell looks sadly miscast as Charles’ American love interest, Carrie. She’s not particularly alluring, intelligent or funny. The role itself is fairly underwritten, but I can’t help feeling like a more capable actress could have given Carrie a little more spark. In my mind it’s England: 7, America: zip. In fact, let’s make it England: 17 because Hugh Grant gives a performance worth 10 points.

By 2012 Hugh Grant has long become...

Read the rest at: http://realworldromcom.blogspot.com/2012/11/review_15.html

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stanleyjim wrote:

if you look for reality in rom coms (and realism makes the movie always better)
I expect you would not like Bringing up Baby. It's a matter of taste, but I do not agree that more realistic is better in a romantic comedy, or indeed, in comedy in general
LOVE ACTUALLY (surely more realistic than 4 weddings..)
Now I find that a truly bizarre judgment. Whichever of the movies you like more, Love Actually is simply a bit of holiday fluff untouched by reality.


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wildmustang wrote:

Does a rom com need to have a believable romance to be successful?
I have not read your thoughts, but I would point out that Romantic Comedies are not Romances.I believe that it is typical of Romantic Comedies that they have very strange pairings. Pairings that are unlikely to work in the real world. Certainly pairings in which the people do not know each other very well.Carrie and Charles are about as a realistic a pairing as any that I can think of, and much more likely to succeed than most.Romantic Comedies are about the difficulties that two people have in getting together, and the difficulties mostly come out of their own psychologies. They are not about to people falling in love and working out the details.

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There has to be chemistry and there was none between Hugh and Andie. I agree that we will root for the unlikely pair in romantic comedies, but usually there's always chemistry involved. Even the most well written rom coms can't function if the main couple does not click.

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japandajinx wrote:

There has to be chemistry and there was none between Hugh and Andie.
I have never felt that way, and I don't agree at all.Granted, the chemistry may not be as obvious when one of the two people is terrified at the prospect of getting involved with the other one. Charles only dates women that he's not all that attracted to, and that he will find it easy to dump.He knows that Carrie would not be that easy to dump, and so, he does not want to get near her lest he fall for her. On some deep level in his mind, Carrie is a trap.Transcripts are easy to find. Go back and read what Charles says in his best man's speech.

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Well it's just my opinion that they didn't have chemistry. It is also my opinion that Andie was wrong for part, even if it was meant to be played the way you said. No matter what the main characters in a rom com are supposed to have presence.

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japandajinx wrote:

It is also my opinion that Andie was wrong for part,
What I've been trying to say in other posts is that Andie was right for the Carrie that the writer and director wanted. You just want a different Romantic Comedy heroine, possibly because that is what you are used to and you expect. And you did not get what you expected.
even if it was meant to be played the way you said.
They chose an actress for their conception of Carrie, and she gave them the performance that they wanted.
No matter what the main characters in a rom com are supposed to have presence.
You simply want a different movie than the one that Richard Curtis and Mike Newell wanted. That's fine.This is an extremely unconventional Romantic Comedy. Most obviously, the normal male and female roles are reversed.

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so Carrie was not supposed to have a personality?

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japandajinx wrote:

so Carrie was not supposed to have a personality?
Have you stopped beating your wife?I find Carrie's personality very attractive, but apparently it isn't as vibrant — or whatever it is that you are looking for — as you want.Her personality is completely suited to Charles's personality. It is one of the "most likely to succeed" Romantic Comedy pairings that I've seen.

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I'm a girl lol. I just found her so boring. I just couldn't see why Charlie fell in love with her. She may be what he needed but the actress didn't sell it to me. The chemistry was lacking.

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japandajinx wrote:

I'm a girl lol.
The reference to "beating your wife" was not a reference to your actual sex, but to the fact that you are assuming in your question what you need to prove. It used to be called "begging the question," but no one seems to know what that means anymore.
I just couldn't see why Charlie fell in love with her.
Speaking as a man, I assure you that I do, and it is not just the way she looks. If you do not understand that Charles should be so attracted to Carrie that he would immediately pursue her — but, of course, he doesn't — it does make the movie difficult for you to understand since the fundamental premise doesn't make any sense to you.
The chemistry was lacking.
As I pointed out above, Charles is afraid of falling for her — he actively does not want to fall for her — and I am sure that cuts down the chemistry.From Carrie's point of view, it is hard to have chemistry with someone who is not showing any interest except for sex.

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pplik sometimes actors just don't have chemistry. It has nothing to do with the story. The story could be good but if the actors don't click, it falls apart. I'm not the only one that notices this because Carrie seems to be very unpopular. When I was watching the movie I was not rooting for Charlie to stay with her, I was rooting for him to stay with anyone but her. It wasn't her personality or anything that threw me off it was just that I never believed that Charlie really loved her or didn't see it. Those two actors looked wrong for each other.

I liked Andie in Groundhog Day. She was lovely there and she had great chemistry with Bill Murray. I was rooting for them there.

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japandajinx wrote:

pplik sometimes actors just don't have chemistry.
I am sure that is true, but I have no idea what you are talking about here.
The story could be good but if the actors don't click, it falls apart.
Again, I am sure that is true, but I have no idea what you are talking about here.
When I was watching the movie I was not rooting for Charlie to stay with her
"To stay with her." Perhaps you just misspoke, but Charles staying with Carrie was never an issue in the movie. He was never with her until the end. Not even with her a little bit. They were never in any sort of relationship.
I never believed that Charlie really loved her or didn't see it.
Is that because Charles did not give any indication that he had any interest in Carrie other than occasional sex until after the wedding dress scene?When he does, he has to quote someone else to say that he loves her. Carrie prompts him to say it on his own and he can't. Is that what gave you the impression that he doesn't love her.Was it that that never in the movie does Charles ask Carrie if he can see her again or ask for contact information? Was it that never in the movie does Charles try to contact Carrie?Was it because Carrie marries Hamish? If that is why you don't believe that Charles loved Carrie, then you simply don't understand what's happening in the movie.

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No I don't buy it because they don't have chemistry. I never even watched the whole movie. I started watching after he confessed he loved her and I still didn't understand why. When she married that Hamish guy she sure looked really into him. I guess my perspective is different because I didn't see the whole movie, but shouldn't it be obvious to the viewer that Carrie and Charlie are meant to be?

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japandajinx wrote:

I never even watched the whole movie.
You do not see any problem with posting repeatedly and insistently about a movie that you only watched part of? You don't see anything really bizarre in that.
I started watching after he confessed he loved her and I still didn't understand why.
That scene occurs roughly 60% of the way through the movie. You don't know how they got there, but you complain that you don't understand what is happening.
When she married that Hamish guy she sure looked really into him.
That is nonsense.
I guess my perspective is different because I didn't see the whole movie
Yes, I would say that would give you a rather different perspective.  Almost everyone would understand that you have a really different perspective when you've only seen the last 40% of a movie, and the perspective is crap.
but shouldn't it be obvious to the viewer that Carrie and Charlie are meant to be?
That is the convention of romantic comedy, but you have to watch the movie from the beginning to understand it.You have no clue what is happening in this movie, and yet you persist in posting about it over and over again.I do not know if you are a troll or just unbelievably dumb, but you are going on my ignore list.

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