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Laura (first wedding) Looked Like a Meringue?


Not really sure why Fiona said that. Was she actually pregnant, as Gareth accused her of? Not an expert on how brides should look, obviously.

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MurphAndTheMagicTones wrote:

Not really sure why Fiona said that.
Interesting. It could just be a fashion judgment by Fiona; I am no judge of that.

But I wonder if the bride had been involved with Charles at one point. Fiona is bitchy about Charles's ex-girlfriend, Henrietta, and about a woman that he shows interest in, Carrie.

Four of Charles's ex-girlfriends are at the table with him at the second wedding. If he was put at that table because it was the bride's idea of a perfect day — a brilliant suggestion in another thread — then I think we can count Lydia as five, and Henrietta as six.

Add Carrie and that leaves seven of the nine women that Charles has had sex with accounted for, and six of them are in the same small social group. It is quite plausible that Laura is an ex-girlfriend, eight, and Fiona, whatever she really thinks of the dress, is being bitchy because of that.



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It's a fashion judgement.

It is a fairly common comment to be made when a bride's dress is just a bit too much.

I don't think her comment indicates that she thinks there was something between the bride and Charles. It is simply that her own taste in clothes is rather low-key.






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Mandyjam wrote:

It is a fairly common comment to be made when a bride's dress is just a bit too much.
That is quite interesting. I had never heard it before.
I don't think her comment indicates that she thinks there was something between the bride and Charles.
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Agreed. Carrie used the same term to describe the dress that was very big and fluffy ( like a meringue should be).

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In the audio commentary on the DVD, Richard Curtis and Duncan Kenworthy say they made up the expression "a big meringue," which they claim subsequently made its way into more common usage in the UK.

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A groom would never ask one of his fiance's exes to be his best man. You're reading into things way too much. It's simply Fiona's character and an example of dry British wit.

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catcherbloq wrote:

A groom would never ask one of his fiance's exes to be his best man.
That is interesting. Is that a social convention that I am unaware of or is it just your conception of human psychology? These days, when everyone has slept with everyone inside a small group, there may not be a lot of best man choices who have not slept with the bride.
You're reading into things way too much. It's simply Fiona's character and an example of dry British wit.
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Carrie uses the same word to describe one of the gowns she tries on in the
bridal shop. The overly poufy skirt suggested a huge meringue; that's all that
they meant by the term.





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I have come to learn a lot more about this than I ever expected to. I do understand now that "meringue" is a technical term used of wedding dresses, sometimes with approval and sometimes not.

tmaj48 wrote:

Carrie uses the same word to describe one of the gowns she tries on in the bridal shop.
What Carrie said of that dress is
Carrie: Bit of a meringue?
and that dress is much more poufy than the rather elegant dress from the first wedding.
The overly poufy skirt suggested a huge meringue; that's all that they meant by the term.
This is the dialogue to give the context for the remark
Scarlett: Oh, isn't she lovely!

Fiona: Scarlett, you're blind.

She looks like a big meringue.
I remain suspicious — and I don't mean anything more — that there is an element of jealous venom in Fiona's remark. At least as far as I can remember, Fiona is not usually unkind to Scarlett. Charles seems to have been working his way through that group of women, so it is not implausible that the bride is one of his ex-girlfriends.



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What you suggest may be the case.

However, Fiona's remark might have more to do with envy than jealousy.

The bride is getting married. She has the dress, the celebration, the attention, and the husband. Fiona would like to be in her position.






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Mandyjam wrote:

However, Fiona's remark might have more to do with envy than jealousy.
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Charles has certainly had sex with brides #3 and #4. Someone made the brilliant suggestion that Charles ends up at a table with four of his ex-girlfriends at wedding #2 because it is the bride's idea -- or possibly her mother's idea -- of a perfect day.

In that case, Charles has probably slept with bride #2. That leaves bride #1 to complete the set. I have always felt that Fiona's snapping at Scarlett is not convincingly explained just as a fashion judgment -- although it is certainly that -- or just as being jealous that someone else was getting married -- although that is probably the case. It's not that she can't snap, but it seems excessive and she usually does not snap at Scarlett.

Scarlett: Oh, isn't she lovely!

Fiona: Scarlett, you're blind. She looks like a big meringue.

Fiona reacts very strongly to women that Charles has been involved with or is interested in, and I find the intensity of her reaction best explained by bride #1 being an ex-girlfriend of Charles's. Certainly there is a fashion statement, certainly Fiona may wish that she were getting married, but I feel a particular animosity in her reaction.

I think it entirely plausible that Richard Curtis has set things up so that Charles has slept with all of the brides. That certainly fits with my conception of his sense of humor and of his writing a romantic comedy that is deliberately unconventional. There are other sexual elements -- surprises you might say -- that are not made explicit but are absolutely there.

There are four of Charles's ex-girlfriends at his table at wedding #2. Adding Henrietta and Carrie, that makes a minimum of six of the nine women that he has slept with. If I am right about the first two brides, that makes eight out of nine. I wonder who the ninth could be? I wonder if it could be that years ago . . .

We hear about all of Carrie's sexual partners and there is a certain nice symmetry if we have also heard about all of Charles's.

I'm not claiming that this is true, but I do have a lot of confidence that Richard Curtis could have set things up this way and would have enjoyed doing it.


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Charles seems to have been working his way through that group of women, so it is not implausible that the bride is one of his ex-girlfriends.


No doubt he would have dated several women from that crowd though I don't think he dated Laura. Still, he knows the current situation isn't right. This is complicated because he doesn't seem to be able to put a finger on what he wants.

To say Charles takes the path of least resistance would be understating it. He just floats along but at least his inner circle is full of hilarious, wonderful and somewhat offbeat people. Frankly, he's the most ordinary out of them. His brother is sly and naughty.

Charles is just going through life, safe and sound, not risking himself, yet he's not really happy.

In the end, by rejecting Henrietta and choosing Carrie, he shows that he finally realizes he's ready for change.





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tanncord wrote:

he doesn't seem to be able to put a finger on what he wants.
Well, Charles certainly knows what he doesn't want, and that is to be committed to someone. He has an extreme fear of commitment
I am, as ever, in bewildered awe of anyone who makes this kind of commitment that Angus and Laura have made today.I know I couldn't do it and I think it's wonderful they can.
Also, see what Henrietta says about Charles and commitment at the second wedding.Charles only dates women that he knows that he can dump without any regrets. Carrie is different. He is afraid that if he isn't careful, he will fall for her and won't be able to dump her, and this produces a sense of terror in the most primitive part of his brain.Basically, the story is driven by the conflict between Charles's fear of commitment and his attraction to Carrie. Please note that Carrie is after Charles, and Charles is the one who shows no interest in her until late in the story.

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ppllkk wrote:

and that dress is much more poufy than the rather elegant dress from the first wedding.

Oh sorry but that just made me laugh! You really think that Laura's dress was "rather elegant" compared to the (first) one Carrie tried on? They were quite similar, both had ruffles in weird places, both had a bouquet of flowers sewn on the top/cleavage for some reason, both were fluffy etc. I guess big was fashionable in the 90s but I'd say both dresses were freaking awful and I see nothing remotely elegant in them haha.

Sorry for bumping an old post but this was too funny not to comment on. 😂 😂 😂


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ditz_dattillo wrote:

You really think that Laura's dress was "rather elegant" compared to the (first) one Carrie tried on?
Yes.
They were quite similar, both had ruffles in weird places, both had a bouquet of flowers sewn on the top/cleavage for some reason, both were fluffy etc.
Certainly they were similar, but I remember the second one as being rather more of a meringue.
I see nothing remotely elegant in them haha.
It is a matter of taste. It seems that you agree with Fiona, but I believe that Fiona overreacted and I wonder why.You seem to have rather stronger aesthetic opinions about women's dresses than I do.

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She probably is pregnant though. We see them at the subsequent wedding with a Baby who is already big.

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The bride was most definitely pregnant. Charles and Gareth even make a joke about it before they enter the receiving line.

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It's not clear to me that Laura was pregnant. She and Angus show up at Charles and Hen's wedding with twins who appear to be no more than 6 months old. This is 15 months after their own wedding. So it's likely they were conceived shortly after the wedding, which would not be unusual for a couple in their 30s who want to start a family before they get much older.

As to Gareth's joke, he's responding to Fiona's comment that she never knows what to say in receiving lines. Gareth crudely suggests she could say that the bride looks pregnant, while Matthew says she could go with the traditional "you must be very proud." I took Gareth's comment as a joke, not an indication that Laura actually was pregnant. Given how drunk she appeared to be at the end of the reception, one can only hope she wasn't!

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She probably is pregnant though. We see them at the subsequent wedding with a Baby who is already big.

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Meringues are popular dessert items in the UK too. Big, white frothy looking tops to tarts and puddings. It's just a funny comparison. The Brits have that biting humor that often surprises Americans. It sounds catty, mean, and critical, but it is just the way they banter in the UK. (RHWBH fans know that Lisa Vanderpump is constantly misunderstood by the LA ladies who take her humorous remarks at face value).

"Duckface" goes a little too far, even by Brit standards. Clearly, Fiona has jealousy issues there. ( I feel bad for the actress who played "Duckface". I have seen her in other movies, but not knowing her name I call her "that duckface actress". She's really quite attractive, and not at all duck-like).

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Uly_5 wrote:

The Brits have that biting humor that often surprises Americans. It sounds catty, mean, and critical, but it is just the way they banter in the UK.

It seems that you did not bother to even casually glance through the rest of the thread. It is explained there why you misunderstood the situation.

I did not know either that "meringue" is a technical term describing a style of dress. It is sometimes used with approval and sometimes disapproval.

I have seen her in other movies, but not knowing her name I call her "that duckface actress".
You could have taken the 30 seconds to look up her name, or you could have called her Henrietta.


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Not everyone has the spare that you obviously have in abundance! I think you are faking it and are a troll just looking to get some attention. Got to ignore you, sorry.

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Uly_5 wrote:

Not everyone has the spare that you obviously have in abundance!
That is certainly true, but looking at how often you post, you seem to have rather a lot of spare time.

The tone of my reply to you here had a lot to do with the tone of your reply to me in a different thread. You have since removed that post.


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You could have taken the 30 seconds to look up her name, or you could have called her Henrietta.


I think the poster meant they didn't know the actresses name not the character.

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shoppermom26 wrote:

think the poster meant they didn't know the actresses name not the character.
Yes he did. It took me 25 seconds to look up the name of the actress right now.The poster, who now goes by the username Retard, was complaining about Fiona insulting Henrietta, and then he proceeds to insult the actress in the same way when he could've found the name easily.

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Pregnant? Yes. The action takes place over about 14 months (adding up the times indicated between events) during which time the couple had two babies (they have two babies,, and older and younger one, at the final wedding). That would not be possible unless she were already pregnant at her wedding.

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The two babies at Charles's wedding, 15 months after Laura and Angus married, appear to be twins. They're dressed in matching bonnets and look to be about 5 or 6 months old, which would match up with conception shortly after L&A's wedding.

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