She was the only one who wasn't married by the end of the film (unless one is meant to believe she actually married Prince Charles) and yet she's beautiful, intelligent and the sister of supposedly the seventh richest man in England (and presumably an heiress to some money herself since it's unlikely her idiot brother made his fortune). So what was her problem? Was she simply a cold, unlikeable b**ch?
shareHarveyManfredSinJohn wrote:
So what was her problem?She tells us why she is single in what I would've thought was a memorable scene. share
Can you remind me? I know it's the scene where she's talking to the older woman at Bernard's wedding (wedding #2).
Surely after she found out Charles wasn't interested she could have found someone else. It's a bit childish to pine after one person for your entire life after they've demonstrated that they don't reciprocate your feelings.
HarveyManfredSinJohn wrote:
Surely after she found out Charles wasn't interested she could have found someone else.Of course she could have. If you are asking why she didn't find someone else, she loves Charles and she keeps hoping and she sees Charles all the time and he is still available.Unrequited love is a powerful force, and it does not make a lot of sense. share
Of course she could have. If you are asking why she didn't find someone else, she loves Charles and she keeps hoping and she sees Charles all the time and he is still available.Seems a bit unhinged/stalkerish to me. I suspect many men have been arrested for their inability to let go where 'unrequited love' is concerned. share
Unrequited love is a powerful force, and it does not make a lot of sense.
HarveyManfredSinJohn wrote:
Seems a bit unhinged/stalkerish to me.It happens. You can judge Fiona any way that you wish.
I suspect many men have been arrested for their inability to let go where 'unrequited love' is concerned.Well, yes, but Fiona is hardly stalking Charles. And many men do not end up stalking the person that they love. share
Well, yes, but Fiona is hardly stalking Charles. And many men do not end up stalking the person that they love.Okay, that's quite sweet. But I don't think it's healthy for people to pine over someone who will never share their feelings. share
HarveyManfredSinJohn wrote:
But I don't think it's healthy for people to pine over someone who will never share their feelings.I agree with you, but it is a staple of fiction and this is fiction. share
Fair enough ppllkk. I think we can agree on this topic at least.
shareIt isnt really healthy to pine over someone who will never share your feelings, but one cannot help it, if they could help it chances are nobody would ever get married or fall in love with anyone ever.
I don't think Fiona stalks Charles, they#re part of a social group, her brother is good friends with Charles and through this she knows him. She maybe doesnt see him as much as comes across in the film generally because we're focused on these occaisons within it and therefore it looks as if you see that person alot
tgrrrsss wrote:
It isnt really healthy to pine over someone who will never share your feelings, but one cannot help it,That is absolutely true.I did not mean to imply above that it only happens in fiction, but that it is sometimes drawn out in fiction beyond what would happen in real life as a plot device. In Friends, for 10 years. In real life, that would be pathological, but in a comedy, we accept it.
if they could help it chances are nobody would ever get married or fall in love with anyone ever.I think there is a lot of truth to that. share
It's not only fiction, this behavior is real. All the behaviours influenced by love and sex desire (reproduction) are irrational
shareit's not like anybody will disagree with you. this is common in fiction and in real life
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It isn't. It will destroy the person if they don't let it go. Mine cost me 5 years of my life first 3 in optimism, the last 2 in a very depressive state which sent me spinning out of control and broke something I never expected.
When I finally gave one last shot at it and she rejected me, I told myself I'm not doing this anymore and cut off in-person contact with her or any of our mutual friends since being in the same presence was driving me nuts. It destroyed me and I decided not to let it get any worse. Recovering, I got my positive side back within a few months, but some lasting effects took their toll which now I've recovered mostly and only can pray I never see this girl ever again. She's married now to someone I never met, so hopefully she's happy. That's what's important. For me, I needed to move on before I'd go seriously downhill like the rest of the human race.
good lord!
We will not go quietly into the night!
We will not vanish without a fight!
Stalking? Fortunately that word was unknown at the time of the movie, and will soon be forgotten
shareWell... her hopeless Charles fixation, helps makes her snooty and sarcastic. Also dressing in drab black colors, at most of the weddings, doesn't help either.
sharekimasabe90035-1 wrote:
Well... her hopeless Charles fixation, helps makes her snooty and sarcastic.I like Fiona, but I think you are complaining about her basic personality. I don't believe she would be different if she married Charles.Can you imagine what it would be like any time that they had to be anywhere at a specific time? Chronically late Charles and compulsively on time — really I expect compulsively early — Fiona. Oh dear.What happens when an irresistible force meets a passive-aggressive object?
Fiona: Do you think I'd hate him as much if he wasn't my brother?Charles and Tom are very much alike. share
So true PPLK about unrequited love as a plot device in a comedy compared to real life, I guess the answer lies somewhere in the fact that plot device, tv/film is allowed different behaviours to the rest of us.
You wonder what would become of Fiona going forward but a clue lies in her empathising with Duckface following being jilted at the alter maybe that helps Fiona get over Charles.
tgrrrsss wrote:
I guess the answer lies somewhere in the fact that plot device, tv/film is allowed different behaviours to the rest of us.In general, we don't take things that happen in comedies as seriously as we do things that happen in dramas. A very serious drama about pathological unrequited love is François Truffaut's L'histoire d'Adèle H. (1975)In Friends , Rachel encourages and then dumps Ross for seven years. She wants him when he is getting involved with another woman, and then after he breaks up with that woman, she doesn't want him anymore. The damn thing is that the audience only barely notices what is going on.People don't take what is happening seriously because it's a comedy. They don't take seriously what Rachel is doing, and mostly, they don't even take seriously what it is doing to Ross.In real life, it might've destroyed Ross's life, and he might've killed her.
maybe that helps Fiona get over Charles.It is even more difficult than usual to get over that sort of compulsive love if there is still hope. Fiona is seeing Charles all the time, Charles does not look as if he is getting seriously involved with anyone else, and so she can hope. It does not make any sense, but psychologically, it is very difficult to deal with when there's still hope.Much easier when a person is committed to someone else and gone. share
It can be easier I guess when they're gone... but... of course one of the great ironies is that TV and film often in their own way fan the flames of things that can be adapted into real life.
Coincidences and suchlike we see on tv/film, people can interpret scenario's which happen in their own life as.
For instance when we meet someone and maybe they share a birthday with someone important to you, it is just a coincidences but due to the kind of programming we get from TV/film/books etc who use these things to drive their story and a means of getting across messages that these people should be together and often invariably they do so.
Thus in real life people get these subliminal messages and think (even if they don't realise it) that the same could be the case in this or that situation when in fact it is just a coincidence.
I though she was a better match for old Hamish than Carrie. Fiona suited the frosty, aristocratic life. Fiona would probably spend most of the time at the London house, while Hamish hunted and fished in Scotland, but I think that would've worked fir them. Hamish is not so different from Prince Charles, so maybe that was what they were hinting at...
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Did you miss the stills at the end of tghe film where she married Prince Charles?
shareNo one else stood a chance, as she said to the wedding guest. And I totally get that. I happily married my own "Charlie" 15 years ago, and when I saw this movie, I completely understood. My husband and I were friends for six years before we started dating. I fell for him right away, and there was enough of a spark there/banter to give me hope throughout the years, even when he was in a relationship. I dated other people but he was invariably the "yardstick" against which I measured other men (I didn't set out to do this consciously).
At times it felt like an unrequited crush and I knew it wasn't healthy, and I had to move on from it if he was never going to regard me as anything other than a friend. I finally worked up the nerve to spill my feelings to him. I told myself I would accept the outcome no matter what. The timing seemed to be on my side though, and he agreed with me. I don't think these situations are the norm, though. I consider myself very lucky.
As for Fiona's cold exterior, I think a lot of that was a front to protect her heart...as were the digs she made about Charles' love interests.
archer1267 —That is an extremely interesting post. I think you are right about Fiona psychology, but in this particular case, she really doesn't have a chance because of Charles's fear of commitment. It takes him the entire movie to get together with Carrie in spite of the fact that she is after him. Right before she leaves the morning after the first wedding Carrie says:
But I think we both missed a great opportunity here.We do not see what happened overnight, but Carrie has given up on Charles; he has not shown any sign of wanting to pursue the possibility of a relationship. There is another key moment after the catalog scene in which Charles quotes someone to say that he loves Carrie. Carrie prompts him to say it for himself, and he can't do it. That is all it would've taken.Right from when they first met, all Charles had to do is show some interest. But he doesn't. He is afraid to get too close to a woman that he is really attracted to, and so he only dates women that he can easily dump.
As for Fiona's cold exterior,At one point, Fiona wondered if she would hate Tom so much if he weren't her brother. I see Tom and Charles as somewhat alike, and I can't see Fiona and Charles as a good match. What would happen every time they have to get to someplace on time? Always careful to leave enough time Fiona and always late Charles?
I think a lot of that was a front to protect her heart.Okay, but I think she really is that way, and that is certainly not what Charles wants.
as were the digs she made about Charles' love interests.I think that they were pure jealousy.I have a speculation which you might find interesting. Charles says that he has slept with nine women. Four of them are at his table at the second wedding. Some bright person suggested that was the bride's idea of a perfect day, which might mean that the bride is number five. We know about Henrietta and Carrie, so six and seven.Fiona's remarks about the bride's dress at the first wedding was certainly a fashion statement, but her vehemence suggests to me that the bride might be eight.So that leaves one woman, and my guess is that it was Fiona a long, long time ago.Your remarks are particularly relevant to things that happen in Friends. You would understand much of the psychology involved in ways that quite a few people - exasperatingly – don't. share
She wasn't cold, she was in love with Charles, but he didn't love her. the scene with her and prince charles is unsatisfactory though, i would have liked her to get someone real.
shareTotally agree, everyone else found someone, she should have too.
sharelouiseculmer wrote:
She wasn't cold,Oh, dear God she was.
Fiona: Do you think l'd hate [Tom] as much if he wasn't my brother?share
She wasn't, she was full of love for Charles. But she kept her feelings under control because she knew they weren't reciprocated.
sharelouiseculmer wrote:
She wasn't, she was full of love for Charles.Okay, but I was saying that Fiona is a cold person in general. Just look at her. share
well, i've never thought of her as cold, she's always just seemed to me a woman who has had to suppress her passion.
sharelouiseculmer wrote:
she's always just seemed to me a woman who has had to suppress her passion.Well, she suppresses it very successfully with everyone including her brother.I like Fiona, but she is not a warm person. I would be more suited to her than Charles is. share