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This alternative Third Reich


Reading the book, many questions occur to me. Nazism is supreme in Europe, but what of Asia? What has become of Gandhi and his aspirations for Indian independence? How about China? Shall Mao be triumphant there?
The book briefly mentions the Beatles playing in Hamburg, but would the Swinging Sixties have been allowed to happen in a Nazi-dominated Europe?

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The book makes some brief mentions about Asia:

- Japan was defeated by the US in 1945, and later developed a modern industry more or less like in the "real" world. The next omlimpic games are going to be in Japan.

- China is only mentioned one time. Apparently, it's government has bad relations or no relations at all with the Reich. This probably means that China is communist, or at least a more or less leftist Republic.

- The decolonization never happened. As a result, India must be still in British hands.

As for the 60s, well, in the book is clear that the youth is more and more pacifist and antifascist each year. The nazis blame the Beetles and foreign influence as the introductors of that opposition. There are also several antisystem/terrorist/resistence groups operating across the continent, mainly in Eastern Europe.

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Japan (who could possibly be allies with America) would be at war with China, who is communist, so you have the German Empire fighting the Russians in Europe and some Japanese-US alliance fighting the Chinese and probably the North Korean's in Asia.

Germany and China would certainly not be allies.

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"Japan (who could possibly be allies with America) would be at war with China"

Not anymore than it is now.

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Beatles playing in Hamburg, but would the Swinging Sixties have been allowed to happen in a Nazi-dominated Europe?


Compaired to the Power of the Beatles, the Nazi's were small potato's..... Somethings are too good to be opressed, the Beatles are one of them.


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Since Nazi Germany was trying to soften its image to America, I think the Beatles posters were there because of the upcoming summit with the USA. Also in the book, Western Europe is not occupied by Germany, just dominated economically.

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"The book briefly mentions the Beatles playing in Hamburg, but would the Swinging Sixties have been allowed to happen in a Nazi-dominated Europe?"

Perhaps The Beatles are a more conservative, old fashioned band in the altered timeline than they are in ours, so the Nazis don't have much problems with them.

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...They problem with the Beatles story line is that the band, all the British invasion bands for that mater, initially got their inspiration from listening to US Armed Forces Radio. In real life the BBC was slow to play rock music, because they viewed it as a bad influence on British youth during the fifties. If the Germans had overrun Great Britain it's unlikely many people, young or old, would have heard American radio broadcasts or know about rock music, unless they were listening to shortwave...Also while rock music didn't exist during the actual war years swing and jazz did and Nazis keep "Negro music", as the called it, from "contaminated" German society. That included sending people who played or even listened to swing or jazz to concentration camps so the Beatles would not have lasted very long in a Nazi controlled Britain.
People are just getting dumber, but more opinionated-Ernestine (Silks) in "The Human Stain"

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