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Please someone answer my questions

posted 16 years ago by akira_2108
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I have seen Urotsukidoji 1 and 2 (the UK DVD release) and the 4 episode Urotsukidoji 3 but not 4 as I heard it is way too heavily cut in the UK. I know 5 was cancelled but some have seen part of it or something. I'd like to see the uncut versions of all 4 urots but I suck at finding the appropriate bittorrents (plus I'm paranoid about illegal downloading etc. - though feel free to direct me to links of course - pm me!) I heard that much of the plot twists and important moments occur in the many cut scenes.

Anyway bearing this in mind I have some questions I'd really like to hear some answers/theories too. I know there are some issues to do with the true nature of the Kyo-O and the Overfiend which are very ambigous and the placing of the Demon Womb episodes within the timeline so I'm not completely clueless on things to do with Urotsukidoji in general.

Anyways here are my questions:

1) I'm guessing that the "Devil" counterpart to God i.e. the Kyo-O to the Overfiend is an entity of some sort that must be be born into a human carrier. I know Nagumo is the Overfiend carrier and was born with that potential. However does the Kyo-O have to be fused into a human by force? Or is a human born the carrier of the Kyo-O i.e. Himi in Urot 3?

I mean we have Ozaki and Nikki who recieved some of the Overfiends blood but that alone doesn't make them anything - the Kyo-O or another Overfiend because they don't have spiritual potential etc to handle it.
Meanwhile Munihousen (forgive my spelling) was trying to awaken the Kyo-O using the alias : "The Evil King" It seemed that in order to do this he needed another Nikki or Ozaki i.e. Takyaki who had some of the Overfiend's blood and then he had to perform that Nazideathrape machine ritual.
I mean just what WAS that big screeching puff of cloud above the death rape machine which appeared at the prolog when Hitler ordered the ritual and when Takyaki in his demon form killed Nagumo in his human form? Was that the Kyo-O which Takyaki would then absorb after he had become powerful enough to handle it? i.e. killing all those people and absorbing Megumi. Is the Kyo-O then a force from another dimension that must be summoned to Earth and absorbed by a very powerful human? Or did Takyaki have as much power/potential as the Overfiend and the whole deathrape machine ritual was supposed to turn him into the Kyo-O.

Sorry I'm going crazy here trying to overanalyse everything and you've probably not heard this kind of crap all week lol!

2) Whether Takyaki was the Kyo-O or not doesn't matter seeing as he died and then his blood covered that Korokogod shrine thing causing it to pulse and a big green orb to appear. Could that have something to do with the baby born from the statue when Buju and Alector do it in Urot 3? ie Himi. I'm not even sure where the shrine was. I mean it seems that in Urotsukidoji 2 that it it is in both the human world and the jiujinkai world. You see Amano and Koroko looking at it after the Jiujin guard was killed by Kohoki - that was in the jiu-jin world right? But at the end when Takyaki falls from the deathrape machine in Shinjuku Towers in Tokyo, you seem him fall to the shrine. Did Munihousen move the shrine from the manbeast world to the human world? In any case what was the purpose of the shrine? What was that green gem that 20 years later Munihousen put in the palm of his hand and gained huge magic powers?

3) Urot 3 is where I got seriously confused. I think I understand the whole deal with Buju and the Makemonos - they are offspring of makai and manbeasts? As there are old Makemonos they must have been born long before the collapse of the 3 worlds as they couldn't have been born within 20 years after Urot 1. I guess the Makemonos grew into such a big population because the 3 worlds collapsing caused the Makai and manbeasts to be directly in conflict. I think I also got Caesar and him having magic powers and techonology before the 1993 events of Urot 1 unfold perhaps in preparation for him and his human accomplicises to still dominate human earth when the 3 worlds collapse.
So where are all the makai and manbeasts? Have they all been wiped out by Caesar and the Makemonos either directly or by proxy (20 years seems a bit too quick for that to happpen though!) In Urot 1 you see Amano go to the future through the old master's mind and sees the streets of Osaka I think plagued by Makai and Manbeasts screwing humans - maybe its just Tokyo where the Makemono are? But then you see Mimi's dream in Urot 2 where Amano sees Osaka (must be as thats where all those Jiujinkai world giant stalactites landed) dominated by what looks like Makemonos.

4)What happened to Nagumo/The Overfiend? How long did his destructive spree in his demon form last? At the start of Urot 3 you see him destroying the US military before the episode switches to the future. Does he go to sleep or something? I mean after the "Chojin" who is one of the 3 parts of God if you take the whole Christian view of God thing, is prematurely born, Nagumo seems to be destroyed after Munihousen's Negroes demon makes him kill himself but then you see Nagumo in Osaka Castle apparantly standing guard by Akemi and the Chojin. Whats the deal with that? He also screws Megumi to create that bigass orgasm bomb to stop "Fabunil" another one of Munihousens demons which has Buju and the Kyo-O carrier Himi bound together with the rest of Negros. It seems Nagumo doesn't have the concious knowledge that he is Nagumo i.e. the locker perv from Urot1 and 2 - seems to be the same personality as the Chojin itself. I do NOT get it. I also read somewhere that somewhere along the line some Makai turns out to be the Overfiend's demon form - I guess thats Urot 4 rite?

5) In a part of Urot 3 you see Caesar's past where he somehow as a human summons the Overfiend who appears as Nagumo in 1982?? I mean he doesn't awaken as the Overfiend until 1993 when Urot 1 occurs! Whats with that?

6) What the heck is Caesar's Computer? How does it know all this stuff about the Chojin and all the stuff it says in Urot 3?

7) Where were Alector and Caesar's head going in that rocket at the end of Urot 3?

8)In Urotsukidoji 1 what was the deal with Suikakaju and Amano in the 1920s? Why was the former summoming the giant fish and what was the dialogue with Amano all about? Did he think Amano was the Chojin or something? I really didn't get that bit

9)Is Suikakaju a human being? Its obvious that sometimes one race member can be present in the world of another like Amano is in human world etc. but Sui looks like a human most of the time. Is he a disgusting monster like all the others only he is disguised as a human the way Amano and Megumi have human disguises?

10) Where is hell meant to be? I'm guessing its somewhere other than the demon world where I assume Kohoki was before Munihousen summoned him?

11) When Megumi and Nagumo get it on in Urot 3 why in the heck did he make a body out of skeletons to do it with her?

12)Is the nerdy guy in the car getting blowed by one of girls Takyaki captures in Urot 2 the same guy as the pantysniffer in Urot 1 who pervs on Megumi in the bushes while shes perving on Nagumo and Akemi?

Thats me mentally spent for now but I probably will have more questions soon!

[–] Majestic_Moose 15 years ago

Hey, akira. I'll try to answer some of your questions to the best of my knowledge.

One thing you should bear in mind, is that the Udoji anime was sold out for the sequels and had different writers/directors on board, which is why the series has various tangents and open plotlines.

I won't answer the first two questions. Why? Because I've never been able to pin down the true identity of Kyo-Oh, given what I've mentioned above. And I'd rather not waste both of our time with wild speculation.

3) Most likely a plot-hole and a major oversight by the writers. In fact, there's a moment in Udoji IV when the young Makemonno Idaten gives Hime a charm (the same one Niki took from Akemi) and remarks "This has been passed down in my village for generations." My only theory is the Makemono were half-breeds, shunned by the Three Races, but finding prominence after the apocalypse. But then I'm sure it's said they were 'born' after the destruction of the three worlds, so that takes us back to a plot-hole...

4) No one knows exactly what happened to Nagumo after Legend of the Overfiend, but Caesar & Myunihausen are in possession of his heart at the start of the third anime, which they use as the core of Negross. But it appears that Kyo-Oh's birth is enough to signal his resurrection.

You're also getting a little mixed up. The young Nagumo-lookalike in Osaka Castle *IS* the Chojin. He just takes after his dad. The baby Chojin is born prematurely, but uses the life-force of the priestesses to create a cocoon for a sustainable body. Megumi just mistakes the Chojin for Nagumo when she's warped to Osaka Castle. Due to his premature birth, he had to combine his power with Megumi's to destroy Fabunil.

- Things get complicated and rather insane in the alternate ending of Urotsukidoji IV as a prologue for Urotsukidoji V - The Final Chapter. This was a failed attempt to revive the franchise, and as such it was canned after one episode. In this version, it turns out that the Chojin I described above (from Udoji III - IV) was a fraud, and was actually the Makai King who managed to hide within Akemi's womb (yeah...). He wants the power of Hime/Kyo-Oh so he can rule over the three worlds and destroy the *real* Chojin. But this doesn't go to plan. If you'd like more information on that, let me know.

5) Is it possible that Caesar used his Pentium 9000 to summon the previous incarnation of the Chojin, stored within the history of the ruins? Through cause and effect, the Chojin would no longer exist in the present/future if destroyed in the past? That could be the theory.

6) It's a Pentium 9000. Caesar had to pull a lot of strings to get the parts for that beast. Short answer: Beats me!

7) I think this was an abandoned plotline, what with Alector also carrying Buju's child. However, I guess they were venturing into outer space.

8) Those two are old adversaries. Suikakajyu believes he's found the Chojin in Tokyo circa 1920. To ensure the Chojin is destroyed, Suikakajyu summons Mao - the monster of the ocean - to wreck the place. Amano arrives too late, and announces that their suspect ISN'T the Chojin, before messing Suikakajyu up.

9) Suikakajyu is a DEMON. He does have a human form (seen in 1920, and when he first reunites with Amano), but his demon form is the one with the purple skin, ghostly white hair and dapper clothing. As far as his habits are concerned, Suikakajyu has his principles. He is, after all, fighting for a just cause. I would class him as an anti-villain. He's still a demon, but his intentions are pure.

10) I would assume Hell is some form of imprisonment in the Makai realm.

11) Again, you mean Megumi and *CHOJIN*. The golem is used not only as a sex object but also a homing missile to send flying towards Fabunil. It would be rather silly for Chojin to use himself in the operation.

12) The nerdy pervert is actually a nod towards the original mangaka Toshio Maeda.

[–] akira_2108 15 years ago

Thanks for the reply Beatrush! I was starting to think no-one would reply but your answers certainly clear a lot of things up :)

So you were talking about the Chojin as he appears in Urot3+4 being a phony and all that. I'd love anymore information you have to offer on your answer to my 4th question!

[–] Majestic_Moose 15 years ago

No probs. It's been awhile since I discussed all this. :)

Well, in the alternate ending to Urotsukidoji IV, Hime - now in her pubescent form - floats into the ether where she meets Chojin. They mention something about being siblings, then consummate their relationship by having sex. Meanwhile, ever the voyeurs - Amano and Megumi are observing this with some interest. Suddenly the Chojin thrusts more vigorously, until he mutates into a giant tentacle monster (the design is pretty poor for the so-called "Makai King"). He begins to tentacle rape Hime, and reveals his plan to her. He was sleeping inside Akemi's womb, and wants the blood of Hime & the Chojin so he can rule the world. This is foiled by Hime, who I assume reaches the peak of her powers and transforms into a voluptuous babe. She then plays the Makai King at his own game, until the strain is too much for him and he disintegrates. The world is then engulfed in light. Amano awakens to find things back to how they were after Legend of the Overfiend. The world is still wasted, but the Chojin still sleeps in Osaka Castle.

Urotsukidoji V takes place subsequently, but it gets even more complicated. Amano is supposed to have been sent 100 years into the PAST. But Urotsukidoji 3 & 4 took place roughly 20 years after Urotsukidoji 1, so it makes no sense if you ask me. Anyway, while he's contemplating what happened between Hime & the Makai King, Nagumo erupts from the ground and resumes his wave of destruction. Amano tries to reason with him, but is met with violence. Meanwhile, the REAL Chojin is being born in Osaka Castle. Akemi starts masturbating luminous goo out of her fanny, which sends a seed of light rocking into a phallic-shaped organic spaceship that has appeared above Osaka. The Chojin's birth possesses the people of Osaka below. Soon Human, Man-Beast and Demon alike are raping and killing one another indiscriminately. Even Amano partakes in a killing spree until Megumi and Kuroko (yes he's back to life) snap him out of it.

Long story short: the Chojin (a mystical green cloud within the spaceship) has created a new asexual race deprived of free-will (but armed with laser cannons) to destroy the remnant of the Three Races. He is also speeding up this process by spreading chaos amongst the inhabitants of Osaka, as well as reviving Nagumo to total the place. Amano fights an hermaphrodite being (who many mistook FOR the Chojin, when really he/she/it is only an agent), but is mortally wounded by the being. It then proceeds to rape Megumi in both male and female form. Amano's consciousness awakens in the "cemetery of time" where Hime now resides. She tells Amano all about the Chojin's true nature, and that he will continue to wipe out that which doesn't work. Amano is completely pissed at being betrayed once again, and being imbued with Hime/Kyo-Oh's power he returns to the land of the living. He awakens in the medic bay of an underground resistance, before catching up with Megumi, Akemi, and Kuroko. There is also a scene where Akemi tries to reason with Nagumo, and begs him to kill her (like at the end of Urotsukidoji 1), but Amano intervenes.

The episode ends with Amano reaching the interior of the Chojin spaceship, where he encounters the cloud of energy and demands answers. The Chojin tells him that he will continue to use Nagumo for his purposes, and that the new world will exist with or without him. Amano is then cannoned out of the ship and into the dust. He watches the carnage unfolding in Osaka and swears to destroy Chojin once and for all.

FIN.

This might read like a bad fanfic but it's true, I promise.

[–] DJ-Chojin 15 years ago

lol im baffled just reading all that :) with 5 i dont go for makai king whats his name Suikakujyu i think, being the fake chojin for a start in 1 he summons the sea monster to fight the monster that the chojin is inside, inside the womb of Akemi, or have i got that wrong, and suikakujyu gets major splating which was his last life after useing the fit angel demon things life's (LOL bangs them n rips em to bits ) lol no wonder its cut to bits here in uk lol and some parts are banned outright, anyway yeah there are some large holes in the plot. and it is confusing. i thought buying the perfect collection and watching in order would explain the demon womb but nope demon womb is seperate, i thought it might fit into legend somewhere.
because i thought womb might carry on from where legend left of but none of them do. i just wanted to see the world being wiped out for 2 hours :)

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[–] Majestic_Moose 15 years ago

Make no mistake, the Makai King and Suikakajyu are two completely different characters. This Makai King character comes out of no where, and was a poor attempt to reinvent the series.

[–] DJ-Chojin 15 years ago

ahh rite so hes not the same guy. 5 though is basically an alternate ending which was to lead to a new series so we dont need to think about makai king to confusing lol. just like the new saga ( rubbish ) for want of a better word just pretend 5 and new saga never happened it was just an excuse to have more henti with less story.lol

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