Why all these negative reviews? This film isn't that bad ... The only bad thing was the unnessesary sexscene.
The actionscenes was nothing special but not bad!
Overall there was good acting, okay overall direction and a bit thin but still good story. The dialogs are not typical Western but still good. End battle surprisly good, good opening after Woody Strode´s magic speach ... yeah ... old Woody. Just Woody´s short but strong appearance makes a plus.
In the end credits we can see some MAGIC images from Once Upon a Time in the West with Woody ...
I didn't like that Van Peebles used hiphop instead of blues or jazz in the end credits but I can understand why.
Van Peebles performance was good I think.
I have seen several Westerns for a time now, and this is the best of them, the only Western from the 90´s which I find better is Tombstone and Unforgiven.
6/10
--- Once Upon a Time in the West --- Keep your loving brother happy! - Frank
I know I'm a little bit late responding, but I totally agree with you. It's not like there are a bunch of other black Westerns to compare it to anyway, LOL. Definitely not in the same league as Tombstone or Unforgiven, but this film definitely has redeeming qualities. The dialogue and music were a little too contemporary but servicable. True, the sex scene was a bit much but I didn't mind seeing Salli Richardson-Whitfield's "assets" in the least bit, LOL. Stephen Baldwin, Tiny Lister, and the little guy with the glasses were all really funny. Billy Zane was a great villain. Woody Strode's cameo and the footage from Once Upon A Time In The West were the greatest things about the movie. Even though it falls a bit short, I still applaud Mario for making a legitimate Black Western.................
Sorry, but I thought this movie sucked, and I'm amazed more blacks weren't insulted by it. Mario Van Peebles was pretty good in it, but his character was the only black character in the movie smart enough to figure out the evil intentions of the big, bad white guy? Please.
This is one of those very few instances where Jesse Jackson could shoot his mouth off in protest and I'd be unable to justify telling him to shut the hell up.
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I just saw this movie on TV a few days ago, well I started watching at some party in a town with masks and stuff and I really enjoyed it from that part on. I am going to rent the movie and watch the whole uneditted thing.
Better than Unforgiven? In the 19th century, there was a scene in this movie where cowboys used a battery powered electric brander to brand a cow. Also, they quoted Rodney King's "Why can't we all just get along?". Not to mention the Rap Soundtrack. Does that sound like a Western to you?
...is what they should call this movie as should be the nickname of Mario Van Peebles (New Jack, Panther, BAADASSSSS!). All you haters can eat an 'unforgiven' dilznik.
This film was fire and more untold stories about the West from a Black/people of color perspective need to be shown.
Mi Hombre Con No Nombre, it wasn't directed at you but take it as you wish.
Why don't we just compare everything to 'Unforgiven' like the rest of the joe neckbones on here?...
3:10 to Yuma < Unforgiven Silverado < Unforgiven The Proposition < Unforgiven Buck & the Preacher < Unforgiven Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid < Unforgiven Outlaw Josey Wales < Unforgiven Fistful of Dollars < Unforgiven For a Few Dollars More < Unforgiven The Wild Bunch < Unforgiven Shane < Unforgiven The Three Amigos < Unforgiven Once Upon A Time in the West < Unforgiven... Bronco Billy < Unforgiven Blazing Sadles < Unforgiven
NOTHING will ever = THE UNFORGIVEN!!! Face it! Bow down to your messiah UNF & beg For Forgiveness!
I'm opening the window so you can smell my secret reciepe sarcasm broth wafting through the kitchen...
On the real, I'm correcting YOU because I enjoyed POSSE more the-movie-whose-name-shall-not-be-spoken (bow & say 10 hail marys). Everybody's entitled to their opinions & it's all good. 'Cause we all got 'em like, er...noses.
Sorry mi amigo. I have too much time on my hands...
LOL!!! Love your reply! Thanks for the list reminder of some westerns I'd forgotten. I'll have to add a couple of them to my Netflix cue!
Yes, it can get wacky when a film is compared with another film. I avoid that!
Posse is a good film on it's own merit, withstanding its shortcomings!
doktordaoud wrote:
Mi Hombre Con No Nombre, it wasn't directed at you but take it as you wish.
Why don't we just compare everything to 'Unforgiven' like the rest of the joe neckbones on here?...
3:10 to Yuma < Unforgiven Silverado < Unforgiven The Proposition < Unforgiven Buck & the Preacher < Unforgiven Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid < Unforgiven Outlaw Josey Wales < Unforgiven Fistful of Dollars < Unforgiven For a Few Dollars More < Unforgiven The Wild Bunch < Unforgiven Shane < Unforgiven The Three Amigos < Unforgiven Once Upon A Time in the West < Unforgiven... Bronco Billy < Unforgiven Blazing Sadles < Unforgiven
NOTHING will ever = THE UNFORGIVEN!!! Face it! Bow down to your messiah UNF & beg For Forgiveness!
I'm opening the window so you can smell my secret reciepe sarcasm broth wafting through the kitchen...
On the real, I'm correcting YOU because I enjoyed POSSE more the-movie-whose-name-shall-not-be-spoken (bow & say 10 hail marys). Everybody's entitled to their opinions & it's all good. 'Cause we all got 'em like, er...noses.
Sorry mi amigo. I have too much time on my hands...
Yeah I've always had a grudging appreciation for this one. It's WAY over-stylized to the point of being parodic, but I like how some of the characters were handled and the surrealist nature of the production brings to mind some of the more outlandish Spaghetti Westerns from Italy & Spain.
Then again that was the point, and if there's any real criticism for the film it's that it is a bit too derivative. But they again all Westerns are essentially derived from the same three or four cultural sources, I kind of like how this one went for a soul-smackdown fest and gave parts to lots of blaxploitation era actors who essentially made the same films 20 years before it was released.
I think that Mario Van Peeples movie Posse is a very important film. It is an excellent entry point film to a side of history many are not aware of. This is a story of early black settlers, cow boys and infantrymen returning from the Spanish-American War with a cache of gold. The main character Peeples is haunted by memories of his murdered father. The racism applied to the new black settlers and infrantryman is explored in this film with exellent casting including Melvin Van Peebles (Marios father), Billy Zane, Blair Underwood, Stephen Baldwin and a wonderful performance by Big Daddy Kane.
One senses that Peeples strived to use as many notable black actors as possible : ) Perhaps too many, some notable persons (Issac Hayes, Pamela Grier) are only scene in cameo, others breifly such as Tone Loc. The sentiment and efforts of Peeples efforts to expose these actors will be understood by some. Of course most noteworthy was the wonderful narrative role of veteran actor Woody Strode, who's own life was a barrier-breaker, within the context of a previous era not yet completed faded from memory. No other actor could have done this role better.
The film does and excellent job of balancing action with a bit of sardonic humour. The dialogue was excellent if a bit contemporary! And as others have mentioned the profanity was not accurate to that period. The sex scene was a bit much -- not really needed. This film, while not a commercial success per se opens the door for more historical and creative works reflective of other untold stories and events. The actual photos of real cowboys at the end credits was very nice touch.
POSSE is a not a bad film, it's quite watchable, it's just very uneven.
Some good acting (Woody Strode), some over-acting (Richard Jordon's racist sheriff) and some bad acting.
Some scenes are overstylized, such as the tilted angle shots of Freetown's saloon. And the sex scene was largely unnecessary (as most movie sex scenes are), but I can't blame Mario for wanting to perform one with Vesta.
Some nice homages to classic westerns (Father Time's watch), but others fall a bit flat. Mario's Jesse Lee is too much a take off of Clint Eastwood grim characters.
Dialouge needed some tweaking, there's a lot of it that's too late 20th century. Part of the Posse drinking game should be "every time someone says 'black ass' take a drink."
Like almost all westerns, anachronisms abound. And director Van Peebles wants both an action film and a historical commentary...and I'm not sure he ever finds the right balance. There's the end commentary on black cowboys, when techincally none of the characters are actual cowboys, you've got a bookish army clerk, a gambler, a preacher's son turned soldier, etc.
As for comparing it to UNFORGIVEN. Who gives a $#%t? I'm as tired of that as I am of everyone comparing every past and present war movies to SAVING PRIVATE RYAN.
I've got to put my hand up and say that I love the film, It's got a great cast with a very fine looking leading lady in Salli Richardson, Interesting sets and little bit about black history in the west, true it is a little uneven but it's a damn sight better than the awful GANG OF ROSES, Maybe for me its a guility pleasure but like I said I love it.
The movie sometimes is like an enigma to me. Over the years since I saw it last I keep thinking back to it. Something in it I assume. It does say a lot about the history of Blacks in the West. I got hold of a paperbook book a number of years ago called "The Negro Cowboy in the Old West" (sic) and it was very informative. This movie takes a lot out of that book and other sources. I find it to be magnetic in that I am watching it over and over. As far as "Unforgiven" goes neither my die-hard Eastwood fan of a late husband nor I could stand the movie. The only other movie that halfway touched on Black History was "Ragtime" about Scott Joplin with James Cagney in his last role. One scene in "Posse" that got to me is when Mario van Peebles character is sitting on the rocks by the pool while his cohorts are playing in the pool and just deeply thinking about the future. One could see that life was troubling him and not even the carefree break from life was settling him down. "Posse" is a good movie. My kids liked it and so did I.
I liked it too. A lot of people pan it because they just can't buy the idea of black cowboys. I'm white, I appreciated the effort, and I thought there was a lot to like here. Just don't expect a deep examination of social structure - it's a rip roarin' western, not high drama.