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About Andrew McCarthy's character and his wife.....


Did anyone else think there were scenes "missing" between Andrew's character and his wife's character?? What happened in their marriage to make it turn so sour? I never quite understood that.



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He had an affair. There is a scene where she's looking out the window, and she demands to know her (the mistress) name. He says something to the effect of "It doesn't matter, she's not the reason."

I believe that it was implied that he had the affair because he was unhappy with their life together. To him, it was bland and colorless. In another scene, he is telling her "You used to have an opinion, we used to argue!" It's clear from this point on that he is unhappy with the relationship.

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Oh, I forgot all about the "affair" part....thanks! I did remember about the "opinion" part. I think its so sad, I've seen this in several relationships that one partner just gives up everything they like and conforms, thinking this will keep the other person from leaving.



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I think Andrew's character got bored because Rose became this obedient, mindless little housewife who couldn't even make up her mind about simple things like what to have for dinner. I think he was also kind of disgusted with her when he saw her groveling on the ground to wipe up the spilled drink.



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I also think that he only married her to spite his WASPy mom and family. Sure, it's apparent that he cared for her, but he would never have married her if not for his mom's reaction at the party.

Afterwards, he felt a duty to stay married with her, but was cheating. He probably would have left even earlier if she hadn't gotten pregnant, which she admittedly did as a last ditch attempt at saving their marriage.

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im really confused coz i think i saw a scene w/ mccarthy on a bed sitting, w/ his boxers on and he was lighting a cigarette w/ a gold lighter, the harley davidson kind (square) did this scene even happen or im just hallucinating?


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Dont remember that scene in this movie. Could it hav been in any of the following: St Elmo's Fire, Weekend At Bernie's 1 or 2, Class, Mannequin. Cant think of anymore of his movies off hand lol.

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Isn't that Eat, Drink, Man Woman (the title maybe wrong.) something like that.

but then again, I'm not really sure...

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Exactly, he didn't respect her because of how she tried too hard to serve him. The affair came after that.

When she stood up to him and said he wasn't taking her house he saw her differently and realized how much he still loved her.

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You need to rewatch the movie. Marksgirl below gives the real reason. The affair wasn't the reason their relationship fell apart.

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I think one of the best clues is to consider why he ended up staying. Also, the mother and daughter stories are tied in, and the mother's story is a flashback of her childhood in China where her mother was a Fourth wife, so a subservient doormat who did not know her worth. The mother even explains, I brought you up to be different and you became just like her. So the problem with the marriage was not that A. McCarthy became bored, but that his wife changed from a self-confident, independent American woman into the traditional asian model of subservience to her husband. He loved the woman that she was when they met, but was unhappy with the person who became his servant and bent over backwards to accommodate to him. In behaving this way, she actually lost her true self, and he fell out of love with her. What saved the marriage in the end is that her mother talked to her and made her realize what she had done wrong. So when A. McCarthy comes to sell the house, she has transformed and become the strong woman again who knows her worth and stands up for herself. She tells him to get out of her house, he is not selling it and not taking her daughter. She was back, so he stayed.

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Totally agree. He said earnestly, "I'm listening" after she became angry, and that turned the tide.

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Amy Tan doesn't even know about Chinese culture but pretends to. She grew up in the US and her Chinese phrases and cultural hints are wrong and come off as if she writes what she *thinks* Chinese people were like (in order to please Western readers and their superiority complex ideas about China).

Most of her books depict Asian men in a poor light and simultaneously write her Asian women with White saviors ('White Knight Syndrome'). She is basically an Uncle Tom author who kisses butt to White people in order to make money, trashing her culture and her people along the way.

Amy Tan writes crappy books to depict Asian men as these evil sexist misogynists. Anyone who knows a Chinese family well knows how the wife/mom bosses the husband and kids - they have absolute power in the family. Asian feminists who buy into Amy Tan's crap propaganda abandon Asian culture, and flee to specifically White men under 'White Knight' syndrome. White men suppressed women as well, would use them as marriage objects for political alliances, had metal chastity belts and corsets, and even to this day there are more stay-at-home moms per capita in the US than in China.

Some Asian women who have self-hate and a White fetish, like to bash Asian men to mask their true intentions, which is to be a complete sell-out. They are easy to spot, because they do not consider American men of any other race, only White men (like Amy Tan and Lucy Liu).

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I think Andrew McCarthy was the best husband in this movie. He only left his wife because she stopped giving her opinion and he didn't like that she thought she was worthless. All the other husbands were nuts. Haha.

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i think till this day asian tends to believe that man are superior to women, a son would carry on the family name or a man should be in charge of the house hold, you see it through movies/films/and books, Amy Tan is right to a certain extent...but no i dont believe that she indicates white men are better than asian, look at Suyuan or Lindo husband, and in her other books such as Hundred Secret Senses or the Kitchen Gods wife, you can see that a chinese men is a loving husband. Part of what she writes reflects upon reality in china, theyre still killing baby girls in china and they still talk upon how fortunate it is that they have a baby girl in there movies/tv shows...it's disgusting...and in case youre wondering...I grew up with that culture so i know

and bout Andy's character....it was different in the book, she didnt need him towards the end, its funny how they changed it in the movie, but i guess it made a bit more sense that way...

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Regarding Rose and her husband, I think you're wrong when you say they changed it for the movie. She didn't need him in the end for the movie, either. She told him to get out of her house, he wasn't selling it, and he wasn't taking their daughter. How more independent can you get? The fact that they got back together is not a testament to her dependence; her needing him, but her realizing her self-worth finally, him seeing that, and them making another go of the relationship. I don't think he fell out of love with the real Rose, just the one she became in marriage. When she reappeared, he was happy again.


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I think she ceased to be an individual. While some men (my husband!!) would love that...evidently McCarthy's character wanted the strong and opinionated woman that he fell in love with...not the servant without a mind of her own that she'd become.


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I still think that he was a total jackass. His wife loved him deeply, and if she became subservient, she did it BECAUSE she was afraid of losing him!

The way he dealt with it (not discussing it at all & having an AFFAIR) was despicable.
I would have divorced him yesterday. Some people never know what they have.


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I think it was the pressure the McCarthy character was having, being married to a Chinese person. They did reconcile though.

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It's in the scene where she asks what he wants to eat. He says he wants to her what she wants and stops what he's doing. The look she gives him is like a deer in the headlights, she just keeps asking him what she wants. They couldn't even have a conversation anymore.

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