Racism?


It can't be a coincidence that most of the characters that "madden" our man are non-white people. Initially, we see him getting disturbed by the laughter of black girls, then many times he looks at other black people in hatred. The guy at the grocery is a Korean man, who insists on not giving 50 cents. The two guys who try to rob him are Mexicans. And we see Michael Douglad yelling at them like "Learn our language well. Write yur message in our language. You come to my country and blah blah." And the same man, when confronted by the sick ideeas of the bald Nazi guy, says that he does not agree with the Nazi guy's ideas and that he thinks people should have freedom in America. Moreover, in the end, the same guy is showed as an "ordinary man" gradually sickened and destroyed by a sick society. I can't really understand that.

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Moreover, in the end, the same guy is showed as an "ordinary man" gradually sickened and destroyed by a sick society. I can't really understand that.

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yes, and that is brilliantly shown by "I did everything they told me" when it suddenly occurs to him he just went from good guy [protecting america] to bad guy, and asks "how did that happen".

you see the word "racist" is a pronk by the govt to stir up J Doe [the proper word is ethnicity but too hard to say in the Blip Culture of america] and Bill was TOLD what to do and think back in McCarthy times when, to use a Blip Culture defn of McCarthyism, you could be jailed for NOT being "racist".

the movie Guilty by Suspicion gives one all the background to how this worked and South Pacific used the intentionally controversial song Carefully Taught "before you are 6 or 7 or 8, to HATE all the people your relatives hate" to show the mechanism of the teaching, ie the school system at an early age [exactly as Hitler demonstrated].

the irony is that the Womens' Affirmative Action takeover of the world we knew prior to 1970 was over 20 years old when this movie was made and Bill was hopelessly a victim OF that "racism".

why racism? - well because racism is pronked from "race" and at that time the defn of race had "eg the race of MAN, dandies etc" as its main example.

so yes Bill is being presented with a sick "dog eat dog" city [that makes movies about Truth and Light] and he constantly needs to bend his brain from what he was taught to hate to the new Politically Correct instruction from govt that he must "love them as a brother".

and while a dog can eat a dog, you can't teach and old dog to do new tricks.

exit Bill from the Zoo.

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"Initially, we see him getting disturbed by the laughter of black girls"
==I didn't notice that. Was it on the highway?
It was hot in the car and he was getting annoyed.

"The guy at the grocery is a Korean man"
==Well, he should learn the language but it can be difficult for a foreigner. D-FENS is frustrated. This doesn't seem like racism to me.

"The two guys who try to rob him are Mexicans"
==So?
Let's say the 2 guys who robbed him were toasters : does that mean D-FENS is a toaster racist?

There are a lot of idiots around.
One guy called me a xenophobe because I ranted on the UK for driving on the left side.
Don't tell me that you are one of these labeling idiots.

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Labeling me as a "labeling idiot"? That's quite ironic. :) When you look at the examples one by one, you can just validate each of them by some explanation. Bu the story that a film presents, the things that it "includes" in it and the things that it does not, the things that is chooses, picks to put into it, when they come all together to form a big whole, this whole says something about the point of view of the film. I am thinking about the racism present in this narrative rather than in the main character.

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"Labeling me as a "labeling idiot"? That's quite ironic. :) "

Oh man, see what you made me do? This labeling thing just doesn't stop. It is taking over our lives.

"I am thinking about the racism present in this narrative rather than in the main character."

I suppose it looks that way. Maybe that is why they had Nick, the army boots surplus store and sunglasses guy be the racist and D-FENS says that he isn't like him.

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That scene with the nazi dude pretty much proves that not only are his actions not based on race, but that racism disgusts him as well. Calling this movie racist is like calling society racist. There is nothing inherently racist about Foster's actions. He's just responding to early 90s LA, which was a racially tense time period (riots, watts/Rodney King, and then I guess right after this movie, OJ Simpson). You can't call this racist, it's more of a sociological trek through this time and place. And sure, some of those situations *involve* race! but they have to. See, this is how different times are compared to around 1993. So much more PC now. Def need to update it or make a similar movie about today's society, and I'd set it in New York City

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Well said, emptyspaces. Seems e.k.cenephile is yet just another one looking to cry racism or label someone a racist anywhere they can. Douglas's character has some emotional problems and goes a bit crazy, but in many of the situations, I understand his frustration. If this story had been a black man going on a rampage, and he did nothing but shoot or beat up Caucasians, the OP wouldn't have posted anything like this post. If you're going to whine about "racism," make sure you cover ALL of those who are on the receiving end of intolerance.



These pc-obsessed times are getting old.

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There AREN"T any movies about a black man on a rampage killing Caucasians and they would NEVER make a movie about a black man on a rampage killing Caucasians.
Just think about that.

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Factcheck: True

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"That scene with the nazi dude pretty much proves that not only are his actions not based on race, but that racism disgusts him as well. "

true. also wasn't the kid in the fast food joint also white?

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I am thinking about the racism present in this narrative rather than in the main character.

In his review of the movie (you can read the full version on webpage below), film critic Roger Ebert said the following:

"A lot of the reviews for "Falling Down" are going to compare it to earlier movies about white men who go berserk: "Joe," for example, or "Death Wish." Some will even find it racist because the targets of the film's hero are African-American, Latino and Korean - with a few whites thrown in for balance. Both of these approaches represent a facile reading of the film, which is actually about a great sadness which turns into madness, and which can afflict anyone who is told, after many years of hard work, that he is unnecessary and irrelevant."

"Because the character is white, and many of his targets are not, the movie could be read as racist. I prefer to think of it as a reflection of the real feelings of a lot of people who, lacking the insight to see how political and economic philosophies have affected them, fall back on easy scapegoating. If you don't have a job and the Korean shop owner does, it is easy to see him as the villain. It takes a little more imagination to realize that you lost your job because of the greedy and unsound financial games of the go-go junk bond years."

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/falling-down-1993

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somewhat interesting read, yet a bit debatable towards the end:

"fall back on easy scapegoating. If you don't have a job and the Korean shop owner does, it is easy to see him as the villain. "

while that statement is absolutely true, it only has little to do with the film, since that is not what angered douglas' character here. it goes out of hand at the end, surely, but the shop owner has been in fact a massive douchebag towards said character right from the very start.

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If it were all white people you would be complaining that they denied minorities a decent acting job.

Get ever the racism thing. Even if it was, who gives a flying phvk? Racism exists. Get over it.

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Even if it was, who gives a flying phvk? Racism exists.


Who gives a flying phvk? I don't know, maybe the people who are victims of racism.

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Who gives a flying phvk? I don't know, maybe the people who are victims of racism.


Like who in the civilized world??

Did someone call you 'whitetrash' or a 'n!gger' once? Did it offend you?

The problem today is people mistake insults for actual racism. It is illegal to practice racism in any way other than opinion. You want that to end too. At what point do we stop censoring opposing points of view? When everyone agrees with you? What if the people passing these laws suddenly target something you enjoy the liberty to discuss?

I swear you people are so short sighted and narrow minded, it is truly disheartening and disturbing.

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"At what point do we stop censoring opposing points of view?"

The left started doing it years ago.

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So if you " ranted on the UK for driving on the left side" I would call you an idiot (at the very least).
What, can't tolerate anybody doing something differently to you?
How moronic and small-minded is that?!!

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Driving on the left is really dumb. It's self evident. Not just for the UK, but Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Japan too.

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First, Toasters aren't human
and second, if it was a black man being robbed by whites I'm sure many would say it was racist.

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Just another case of an over-sensitive person finding racism in anything and everything. I swear, some people could find racism in a bowl of cheerios.

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Just another case of an over-sensitive person finding racism in anything and everything. I swear, some people could find racism in a bowl of cheerios.
I couldn't have said it better. And those people are usually white people who have always lived in white neighborhoods so it's easy for them to say.

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Racism or not, it probably depicted a realistic situation in a town like LA in the 90s.

Would it make sense for some mexican salaryman to go in ghetto areas of LA populated by White hoodlums?

Not if you've been to LA.

Although I think in 2014, the white collar worker could be Asian or Black, maybe Mexican, but still IMO it wouldnt be logical to experience such frustration which is more cultural than anything.

I can fully imagine...How White Los Angelenos, who grew up in the 50s/60s in a very safe Los Angeles full of a promising future, would be frustrated in the 90s when the town's violence had degenerated. One only has to look at pictures of LA in the 50s.

Though I think the film is more of a indictment against degeneration of society in general, regardless of race. At the end of the day, all well meaning people of all races are victims of stupid behavior/violence/crime/etc.

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Your point is dumb (not true, just some overly sensitive PC freak) but even if it was.............so what? Characters in movies can't be racist? They can kill, betray, have affairs, rape...............oh but heaven forbid a character is racist.

Oh, p.s., the bum was white, the fast food restaurant had whites behind the counter, the Nazi was white and the guys on the golf course were white. Your point is just a lie, you ignore 6 white people he has disputes with and only focus on minorities. What an intellectually dishonest person you are.

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Then many times he looks at other black people in hatred.

That was not the impression I got when watching this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oglIAdnJM

I think D-FENS feels sorry for the man who is protesting because he identities with him, especially considering how he later tells the caretakers that he lost his job because he too was regarded as not economically viable. Furthermore, I can't see any hatred in how he interacts with the boy in this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8b3963VRW4

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Fully agree that D-FENS is not a racist. A bigot? Probably. I'm not going to moralize about bigotry but it's destructive and rather futile, for instance, with regard to the Korean who speaks English very poorly. Otherwise, I don't recall a single part of the movie that could be construed as racism unless someone has an agenda and is trying to "find" it.

D-FENS is just an angry, depressed man suffering from separation from his family and from being unemployed. Saying, "I did everything they told me to do" says it all. He ostensibly did what he was "supposed" to do and it left him feeling worthless, sterile, enraged. Also, it's more than insinuated that he grew up with a control-freak mother. Recall how orderly she kept her home. Owing to this, D-FENS maintains his daily structure for a time after he no longer works for the defense industry, until he finally breaks.

He was already a bomb waiting to explode when he met the Korean. That just happened to be the spark to light the fuse. As he proceed through his day he remains enraged and he continues to encounter people who are antagonistic or who are obstructing him from reaching his daughter on her birthday. When the neo-Nazi breaks the snow globe, D-FENS loses it. That's the point of no return.

My problem with the movie has nothing to do with whether or not it is racist, whether or not it deals with racism, or whether or not D-FENS is racist. Who cares? These are small worries. I'm more interested in the meaning of the final image: An emotionally damaged, enraged father shot through the heart on his daughter's birthday by a desk-job robbery detective who is working his final day before retirement. Hoo-HA!!

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My problem with the movie has nothing to do with whether or not it is racist, whether or not it deals with racism, or whether or not D-FENS is racist. Who cares?


You'd be ignorant to ignore the role of race in this movie. How myopic!

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Most crime does come from immigrants, so what's racist about that? Plus; Black Americans are a lot more violent and criminal than most whites, so nothing racist about that either. D-FENS was annoyed with all of society, if he would have met some teenage rich white uni brats, he would have been annoyed with them.

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That doesn't really correlate with the fact that the majority of school massacres in America, are committed by white Americans. Of course, a decent American, as I'm willing to assume that most Americans are, would probably and quite rightly, be pissed off if the people responsible for those heinous acts were seen as the representation of all Americans. Likewise, it's unfair on decent black/latino/etc people, of which there are plenty, to be represented by scum. The race and creed isn't important, it's the actions that need to be felt with.

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And I completely agree.

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Not really factual as far as numbers. Yes, in one BIG shooting, a one-time event, there are several deaths but it is still far, far, far fewer than shootings in a lot of big cities where a couple of people get shot every week ALL YEAR long and there are thousands of deaths per year. The numbers aren't even close to the same. Usually black on black crime, gangs and drug related.

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There is not single city in the US that has thousands of deaths per year.

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Immigrants DO NOT commit more crime. Get your facts straight.
And it wasn't Black Americans who were being violent or criminal in this movie. That does not justify racism.

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