Maybe they'll mention it in the next installment.
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They barely acknowledged the colonization, forgot about the super-soldiers, acted like aliens weren't responsible, glossed over the fact The Smoking Man was struck by a missile, so I doubt they would bother about Doggett.
shareI agree with that.
shareThey "bothered" with Reyes. Patrick was unavailable for the revival, if he'd been available then things might be different. Since he wasn't, they probably figured it was less cluttering to just not mention him. There were only 6 episodes and a lot was already crammed into them.
shareThat's probably right, but still it bothered me, too. It would have been natural and authentic if Scully had asked Reyes just how Doggett was. The way they did it we just have to assume that Scully already knows what he's up to, otherwise she would have asked Reyes.
I used to have an X-Files quote in my signature.
I think that they might not have mentioned Doggett because RP did not want to be in the XF's. He was busy with Scorpion.
shareIt would have been natural and authentic if Scully had asked Reyes just how Doggett was.
I'm grateful Robert Patrick wasn't available (he has a much better gig now in the show Scorpion) especially as he would have been probably character assassinated as much as Reyes. That was beyond unforgivable in my book and I'm surprised Annabeth Gish went along with it.
shareWe didn't know a lot about Reyes and with what we did know, it doesn't really surprise me that she would have taken that road so I don't consider it character assassination.
shareI believe she preferred Morley Lights? Since her introduction, she's always come across as suspicious. Fans have never known what to make of her. She was always doing her own thing. I have no "proprietary" interest or investment in her motivations, or characterization. If CC says she's flipped, she's flipped.
shareI'd like to know more about her and why she flipped. The audience wasn't invested in her character because the character wasn't fleshed out enough. She came across to me as hippy dippy without the depth of, say, Melissa Scully or even the character Scully encountered in All Things.
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I'd like to know more about her and why she flipped.
Yes, and I want to know more about that. It seems pretty thin, and I'd hope there's more to it than self preservation with a faint hope of sabotaging his plans.
shareYes, and I want to know more about that. It seems pretty thin, and I'd hope there's more to it than self preservation with a faint hope of sabotaging his plans.
The scenario you describe makes more sense. She's ethical and dances to the beat of her own drum. I don't think she'd go along with CSM's plans just to save her own skin even if there's hope to undermine his schemes.
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It seemed more like self-sacrifice than self-preservation.
shareYes agreed, how very true.
Nothing is as it seems, nothing is just one thing and nothing is ever just over there;
Since her character hasn't been well developed, there's a lot of room to explore.
I did like the friendship between her and Scully, and I really liked her chemistry with Doggett. I just didn't seem to like ... her (in S8 and S9 during the original run). She's grown on me like a fungus, lol.
What would you like to see from or about her character?
There are so many questions. Why the FBI? What what it like to be intuitive as a kid? Does the gift run in her family? She smokes Morley Lights. Why, of all things, Morleys? Has she ever tried the Patch, or are they a product of TPTB, too, in this universe, lol?
She is very much a dance to yer own tune kind of woman, and she's also really, really ethical. That's why CSM's accomplishment (what else to call it?) seems so contrary to the character's way of doing things. Not her style. But do we even know her style?
CC and Co. have done a superb job with other ongoing characters (as in all of them!), and I just think this character was done a disservice compared to others.
Reyes had the type of personality that if it seemed like the right thing to do she would do it. Regardless of consequences. Recall her hounding Doggett regarding the x-file that she thought was connected to Doggett's son. Mulder even said to her "you'll say anything, won't you?". CSM must have figured this out and manipulated her to get what he wanted. He tried doing the same thing with both Mulder and Scully and neither ever fell for it. Reyes did not have the experience with CSM that Mulder and Scully had so I believe she was susceptible to his manipulations.
shareThey "bothered" with Reyes. Patrick was unavailable for the revival, if he'd been available then things might be different. Since he wasn't, they probably figured it was less cluttering to just not mention him. There were only 6 episodes and a lot was already crammed into them.
Guess you would have to direct that question to CC.
shareWhat question? I didn't ask a question here.
shareI tried to answer in nest was referring to Manna-Festshen asked why Doggett wasn't mentioned. I said only CC could answer that question
shareUm you do realize that I am Manna-Fest right? The person you've replied to? And there's no "shen" at the end of my username thank you. I didn't ask a question but simply made a statement as to how it wouldn't have ben a problem to throw in a couple of lines about Doggett.
shareI tried to answer in nest was referring to Manna-Festshen asked why Doggett wasn't mentioned. I said only CC could answer that question
It would have confused new viewers. I also believe you're mistaken if you think it would have taken a minute tops to explain away Doggett's absence. I don't think one throwaway sentence would do it.
shareIt would have confused new viewers.
I also believe you're mistaken if you think it would have taken a minute tops to explain away Doggett's absence. I don't think one throwaway sentence would do it.
Forget the new viewers. They can always go back and get caught up with things.
How long do you think it would have taken? I did suggest up to a minute tops.
There's already a lot for new viewers to catch up.
It's a shame but bringing up Doggett would have complicated things and they were already short on time.
I think it would have opened up to a scene that would last at least three minutes based on communication and reaction time. Like I said, I don't think a throwaway sentence would cover his absence what you brought him up.
No, you didn't ask a question and based on that response, I'd say she didn't bother to actually read what you posted. She's probably irritated that people are still talking about Doggett and she just can't keep her unpleasantness to herself.
Which is why they should have just stuck with their original ten episode order and had a few episodes focused on Einstein and Miller.
Fox can't spare three minutes to a 41-42 minute episode and have it be 45 minutes?
She's not making any sense.
Yuck. I liked Doggett and even Reyes. I didn't at all care for Einstein. Miller was alright.
No. Commercials rule all.
She rarely does. I question her reading comprehension.
Well they need to rule themselves under. The networks must love scary away TV viewers. People watch TV for shows, much less the stupid ads and they shouldn't even be five minutes long.
I'm not saying eliminate commercials completely, but cut them down a bit so we have more episode to view. Two minutes worth of commercials every ten minutes is reasonable, and then we can tack on more time for the show, so instead of the typical 41-43 minutes for an hour long show, we can bump that up to 50 minutes.
shareI'm not saying eliminate commercials completely, but cut them down a bit so we have more episode to view. Two minutes worth of commercials every ten minutes is reasonable, and then we can tack on more time for the show, so instead of the typical 41-43 minutes for an hour long show, we can bump that up to 50 minutes.
Einstein could use a new name. It doesn't suit her at all, even though she is smart but it just sounds so generic for some one of her looks.
Well they need to rule themselves under. The networks must love scary away TV viewers. People watch TV for shows, much less the stupid ads and they shouldn't even be five minutes long.
I realize I'm in the minority but I think that woman looks kind of funny.
Advertising is where the revenue is. It's why some serial programming has done so well on the premium channels. I don't want to watch Game of Thrones with commercials.
There's nothing wrong with advertising, but it's not always for shows and they tend to drag out for too long and you're just wishing the show would hurry back on. They need to cut back on the commercials and add more time for the show.
Well they need to go back to how it was in the previous decades and start trimming the ads down and giving us more show. People are not trying to be bothered with all that mess.
sharePerhap's because actor Robert Patrick is busy working else where and has said in interview's he isnt very interested in repeating old work from his past including and pre-cluding any future X Files re-appearace of his character ?
Nothing is as it seems, nothing is just one thing and nothing is ever just over there;
Given the frankly atrocious treatment he got back from a lot of the fandom back in the day, would you blame him if that was a reason he didn't come back too? I always liked Doggett and felt he gave a tired show a serious kick in the ass in Season 8. For me personally, I rate him a much superior actor to David Duchovny too.
shareI won't miss Doggett at all. If he gave the show a kick in the ass, I didn't see it or feel it.
shareYes agreed, I thought Robert Patrick did an excellent job as "Doggett", it's a loss to the show he wont be back again.
But then again his character was created to fill-in as a replacement to Scully during Mulder(David Duchovny)'s absence. So now the X Files has both Gillian & David back in place I suppose there is little need or room for his involvement which is a shame.
Nothing is as it seems, nothing is just one thing and nothing is ever just over there;
If Robert Patrick was available, then perhaps we would of been spared those new agents and had Doggett and Reyes helping Mulder and Scully out in those last two episodes. Then CSM could have another alley like say Marita or his son.
Reyes storyline seemed to be not done well because they had wanted Doggett back. So she got thrown in with a terrible story.
Am I the only one wondering what happened to Xzibit's character from I Want to Believe? Probably yes. But I think his character, being fairly Doggett-esque, could have filled whatever role they had in mind for Doggett before RP turned them down.
Now that I think of it, I wonder if his role was originally written for RP for that movie, given the similarities in their attitudes (well, at least his similarity to early Doggett).
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
Comparing Doggett's character to Xzibit's cardboard FBI agent is like comparing a van gogh to an etch-a-sketch. Doggett had personality, the other agent was just a hostile one-dimensional bull. Doggett was never as limited as that character in IWTB ever.Don't see any similarity at all. Oh yes, and Robert Patrick can actually act too. Amanda Peet was pretty godawful too in the movie and it was one of the best moments when she met her end.
shareWell the movie was awful and you can't blame Amanda Peet for being awful. Her character was written horribly
sharelol... Amanda Peet is always awful.
shareI thought she did well in Something's Gotta Give.
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I wasn't being entirely serious about Xzibit, that's why I said I was probably the only one wondering what happened to him. That always seemed like a bizarre casting choice to me, before I knew what the film was about I half expected his character to be the host of a show within a film called 'Pimp My Flying Saucer'.
But you have to admit that at least on a very vague level his character's and Doggett's no nonsense attitudes are at least a little bit in line, even if Doggett was written and acted far better (IMO playing Doggett was some of the best acting RP has ever done, and he's definitely one of my top 5 favourite characters from the show, as much as I respect his choice to not come back I'm still extremely disappointed and wish they would at least reference the character).
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
Re: RP, you dig his acting. I get it. Xzibit's character was never meant to be more than a Special Agent distrustful of untested methods. I think Xzibit did a good job with what he was given. Amanda Peet did okay, too, in my book for the same reasons.
I like RP and his performance as Doggett. Didn't get the respect from fans and didn't get the decent send off for his character that he and his character deserved.
So, tell me what you like about RP, his portrayal of Doggett, and his work beyond TXF. I'm all ears :) I can't get into Scorpion, but I'm thinking about watching that one season of True Blood that he's in.
Very hard to pinpoint exactly why RP was so great as Doggett, he was a very well written character IMO but RP did an amazing job of making him very relatable even though he was often very at odds with the other main characters (and the fans who were reasonably upset about Mulder suddenly disappearing despite being pretty much the most important character on the show).
He's a character who thinks he has a very firm grip on reality and is suddenly dropped into a situation where everything he investigates overwhelms him with evidence that what he thinks he knows about what's real and what isn't gets flipped on it's ear and he has to try and persevere, adapt and come to terms with all this new stuff, and Robert Patrick just completely freakin' nailed it.
The more personal episodes with his character are some of the best in the last two seasons as well, you really feel for him when the storyline about his son comes up, his performance in 'Release' nearly brought me to tears at the end of it.
I loved the way the truth was just as important to Doggett as it was to Mulder even though their views of the world were pretty much polar opposites, it's a shame those two didn't get a lot more scenes together because it was great fun watching their different methods clash while they worked towards the same goals in episodes like Vienen and Three Words.
It really is a shame the way fans reacted to his character, which I think was more to down with them missing Mulder than not liking his character, and it's an even bigger shame that that seems to be why his character is overlooked in IWTB and the new season. I think if Doggett had been a character on a different but very similar show from the beginning he would get a hell of a lot more respect and recognition for the great character he was.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
It really is a shame the way fans reacted to his character, which I think was more to down with them missing Mulder than not liking his character...
Such a great synopsis what what made this character wonderful (and IMO yet another wonderful character in a rather long line of wonderful characters in this show). Is Doggett your favorite character? Mulder's mine, then Scully, then Mr. X. (Mr. X holds the ambiguity of the world within himself. Stephen Williams killed it in every scene!)
I'm a strong DD fan, but I don't remember thinking Doggett was ever a bad character. I wasn't fond of Monica Reyes (thin writing), but Doggett was always ok in my book.
If Doggett had been there from the beginning on this show, it wouldn't have been that great shock to the system in S8 that so many thought the show needed.
As great as I think Doggett is, I'd have to give joint first place to Mulder and Scully, they were both great characters on their own but their chemistry together is just amazing to watch, while Doggett was much better on his own than when he was paired with the very inconsistent Reyes ( I thought she was likeable but didn't really get her character like I did most others, I got the impression it was more than just Morley Lights she was smoking, and the romantic subplot between her and Doggett seemed very forced).
I'd definitely follow up with Skinner in third place tied with The Lone Gunmen (love their spinoff series, that first episode was eerie as hell). X was definitely my favourite of Mulder's contacts though, always get excited when I see Steven Williams' name in the credits on other shows like Supernatural, or more recently The Leftovers (which I'd recommend to X Files fans who haven't seen it, it has a pretty terrible title, it's head writer Damon Lindelof has a very bad rep and it's trailer did it no justice but I loved it despite not having high expectations).
Yeah, I'd love to have seen Doggett on this show from the start just so his character could have been developed a lot more, no disrespect to Annabeth Gish but I think if Doggett had been paired with a better written character (and if Mulder had appeared more often in season 9, I found his absence and the lack of a good explanation for it very frustrating) the show might have had a few more seasons left in it.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!"
Reyes ( I thought she was likeable but didn't really get her character like I did most others, I got the impression it was more than just Morley Lights she was smoking
while Doggett was much better on his own than when he was paired with the very inconsistent Reyes