Class Prejudice


What I find a little strange about this movie is that, while nearly all the students had anti-Semitic prejudices, nearly none of them harbored class prejudices. All of them knew right from the start that David was from a working-class family in Scranton, PA, only came for the last year (which was unusual, as the coach observed in the beginning of the movie), and had to work at the school diner because of not having enough cash to pay his tuition. However, it seems like no one was bothered by it - not Dillon, not Van Kelt, not even Sally. However, once David's religion was discovered, everyone turned against him.

Could it really have happened? The rich and powerful are just as likely (or even more so) to have class snobbery as religious prejudices.

Any thoughts?

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@kiwiboris, interesting thread! Unfortunately, I am not too knowledgeable when it comes to this issue, but I agree with you that it’s quite odd that David’s working-class origins are not seen as a big deal, while the revelation about his Jewish heritage shocks them to the core (also, I may be mistaken, but it seems as if in the aftermath of the Second World War most young Americans were quite sympathetic to the plight of the Jews).
I think that class prejudices tend to be less pronounced in the United States than in most European countries (especially the Western European ones like the Netherlands), so this could be one reason the film producers did not view such a scenario as unrealistic. It’s also possible that the way David presented himself (e.g. his manner of talking) and interacted with the others did not attract (negative) attention; he managed to fit in from the very beginning.



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Ernest_Hero,

Anti-Semitism in the U.S. was much lower in the 1950s than in the 1930s and in the 1940s, but still common in some circles. Plus, there weren't as many Jews in the elite back then as there are now, and David's classmates came from very sheltered environments, so for most of them, David was the first Jew they ever met (you might remember Connors's speech during the class deliberations on whether David or Dillon cheated.)

As for class prejudices - I find it hard to believe that kids who took for granted many things that David could not even dream of would easily accept someone from a working-class background. Especially back then in 1950s, when the society was not so egalitarian. I agree with you that David's charming personality helped him fit in, but in real life he would have a lot of prejudice to overcome (plus some students would resent him for failing to pay his own way.)

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Quite possibly, but the fact that he was helping the team win seems to have gone a long way towards smoothing his path (sports-mad school, he has something they value). And he had to do other work for his scholarship, it's not like all he had to do was play football. He did make an effort to fit in with them. Some of them were on scholarships too. And his roommate was diplomatic about lending him a tie: maybe as long as he fit in otherwise he was OK: money wasn't much discussed (you could argue it was because they were all in the same social class, I suppose). It's not like they were, say, all planning ski trips and he couldn't go.
I wonder - when the anti-Semitic slurs started, if he had spoken up, how they would have reacted - if he'd done it angrily it might have been different to if he said mildly something like "Uh, guys? There's something you should know..."

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There was no class prejudice towards those who were merely proletarian gentiles, as shown in the lack of any's being given to the other guy who also, like David Greene, worked as one of the dining room waiters, he was also a scholarship student. It was clear that class prejudice wasn't an issue, religious prejudice was.

MGD

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Yes, that's true from we see (it's interesting how we are imagining/recreating the inner lives of the characters and their "offscreen" or possible action in our discussions, giving them more life!). I mentioned this in another post - how money didn't seem to be talked about (it's not like they were all planning ski trips and David and other poor kids were left out) and how politely David's roommate lent him a school tie - without making him feel poor or even gauche.

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seemed to me that they found being poor is cool. they were impressed when they found out he was in a fight.

antisemitism or any other race/religion hatred is for all ages and size.

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Couple of things at work that mitigate his class differences.

1: They see him in a controlled environment, at the school...they never see him outside of it. So they never see his house, his family, or anything that visually distinguishes him from them in anyway. They even wear the same uniforms, so they can't even judge him for his clothing.

2: David is a nice guy who fits in right away with the "big men on campus". He's charming, good-looking, and above all, interesting. He's an anomaly; they've never had someone come in the last year like he did.

3: He's their star quarterback, and a damn good one. Excellence in something that matters to a society can mitigate many other failings; just look at our own professional athletes today, many of whom engage in less than socially acceptable behavior but are still idolized by the masses because they're good at what they do.

Here's to the health of Cardinal Puff.

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Excellent point about them not seeing David in his "natural" environment. I think he was seen as a novelty/curiosity. None of them had probably ever met someone of a lower social standing, at least not someone who was their age.

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I was thinking the exact same thing! The only person who even commented on how David belonged to a lower class was Charlie when they first met. All the guys ,after that, seem to get along just fine until they found out he was Jewish. I think there would have been people who wouldn't have accepted him. because he was poor. Especially that girl and her family, because it would have been very important for her to marry into a wealthy family.
I found it very ironic that all the guys made jokes and statements about Jewish people being greedy, yet they were the rich guys from elite families and David was poor and from a working class family.

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I like your comment about how hypocritical the WASPs were calling Jewish people 'greedy' despite their own wealth and privilege. Of course they don't have to be 'greedy' because they already have everything they could want, including guaranteed entry to Ivy League schools. It's like when the principal observes "You people can be quite determined" to which David replies "Sometimes we have to be".

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are you still bumming poofs, harvey?

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This is an excellent post. Certainly in today's world class prejudice overrides anti-Semitism and maybe even dome other forms of racism when it comes to life opportunities. Most prep schools and other elite institutions seem to be made up of WASPs, Northern European Catholics and Jews from the upper-classes, but during the 1950s Jews were still a relatively disenfranchised group, especially where elite East Coast school and colleges, the almost exclusive preserve of WASPs, were concerned. Many Jewish families had only been in the US for a few generations, dating back to the turn-of-the-century Russian pogroms, or 1930s European Fascism, and thus would not be long established. Furthermore, many Americans, particularly among the upper-class elite, would not have known many Jews and thus, the most reactionary of them would have been susceptible to hateful anti-Semitic stereotypes that associated Jews with Bolshevism and anti-Americanism.

Also, I suspect most modern anti-Semitism (i.e. the 20th century onwards) is ethnic/racial and cultural prejudice as opposed to religious prejudice.

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I think it's just the limits of the medium. Clearly a crowd of privileged young people like that would have a whole raft of attitude problems. That would definitely include class prejudice. But you can't show everything in a movie. If it's about anti-Semitism, then that's the story you tell.

Still, I think one line about it wouldn't have been out of place. The scene where Green's fellow waiter stops him from going on a rampage would have been a natural place to insert something like, "You know how these people are! Anything to keep our kind down!"

That would have made the point that the school was a whirlpool of various superiority complexes, which it naturally would have to be.

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I agree. In real life, those prep school kids would look down at him more bc hes from Scranton. White people segregate themselves by class,way more than any other race! Example...An upper-class white collar executive would never hang out with a blue-collar white. You might see them talking about sports at the office,but they would never go to the bar together after work. Also, white suburban liberals treat working-class whites from the inner-city or rural areas like *beep* Upper-class whites are nicer to minorities than they are to working-class whites! BTW..I'm Latino and have always noticed the way whites interact with each other. Rich whites are definitely a strange untrustworthy group...however,the working-class whites are the coolest people around. I personally can't stand the politically correct upper-class whites,nobody respects them bc they pretend to be too perfect,claim to love everyone, and always say whatever sounds correct.

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Great post.

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I went to a northeastern boarding school that was similar to the one in the film. I graduated in 1993, so things had changed quite a bit by then. I still saw plenty of class prejudice, but not nearly as much as there would have been in the 50's. I will say that lots of the true old money people displayed no class prejudice at all. I was from a blue collar town, although my father was a professor so I could not be considered working class. Much of the snobbery I saw was from new money people who from old-money places, places like Greenwich Connecticut. I did see class prejudice among some old money types, but it is not as cut and dry as some would say. Like I said before, most of the worst snobbery was from new money people, people that were TRYING to join old money society and looked down on those of us that were not from the right towns. The students might well have looked down on David for being working class, but he was a popular quarterback so they probably kept it to themselves. When he was not around, however, some of them certainly would have had some snide remarks. Things were much worse back then, so someone from the wrong town would certainly have been looked down upon by certain people at the school. I definitely saw some of that where I went to school, and I graduated 35-40 years after the movie took place. There were lots of Jewish people at my school and I did not see any open prejudice towards them. Then again, I'm not Jewish so maybe I would not know.

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Doesn't fit the narrative. Look who wrote the movie. It wasn't a poor person.

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