Did Bobby die at the end?
I never thought he did up until I came onto this board and saw people saying he did???? So... Did he die? Did he die trying to fly their machine or did the king do it?
shareI never thought he did up until I came onto this board and saw people saying he did???? So... Did he die? Did he die trying to fly their machine or did the king do it?
shareAccording to the writer and director, Bobby did not die.
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THANK YOU! I remember watching this movie when it first came out, I was just a kiddo then and was so happy that he was able to fly away in his little machine and escape the King's abuse. It would have really upset me if I had to find out that after all this time he had really died at the end!
shareAre you that stupid to believe that an 8 and 6 year could build a plane from a wagon and make it fly?! YES, the kid died, stepdad went to jail. Adult Mike (Hanks) even states in the movie, "the story is in the eye of the teller." They lived in a fantasy world and it was much easier for him to believe his brother lived.
shareYou know what I guess I am actually STUPID enough to believe that they could pull something like that off. Stranger things have happened. Plus, it's MOVIE -- it doesn't have to be perfect or logical. From what I have seen here on this board there seems to be two groups of people, one group believes what you do and the other believes what I do. I really don't think it's wise for you to come on here and try to start something with me or anyone else just because I don't believe what you do. I'm really tempted to throw a couple choice words your direction, but that would be what you want and I think you're just trolling anyway. Troll, be gone!
shareAhhh...wadda you know -- you're over 12!
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... Funny thing is I seriously doubt you are!
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I was replying to tanishal22
Sort it out..
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Are you that stupid
They were 11 and 8.
shareIt's a little like when many of us were little: We didn't want to believe that 'Darth Vadar' was Luke's Father. But in the final analysis, what is in the movie, does clearly seem like the 'Father' is fudging his story for the children, or is in complete denial. Yes the 'writer' wrote something different. Yes the 'director' did not like what was left in the movie. But it preserved both the 'fantastical' and left in the 'tragic' at the same time. But kids would not get the later.
shareSo everything was a fantasy except the size and scope of the ramp and the flight? Think. The writer and director have both said Bobby doesn't die. Since everything else he remembers was either fantasy or exaggerated, it follows that the final flight was as well. Of course the wagon did not fly around the world. But after that "flight", all was well, so it was like the Radio Flyer lead to freedom. Again, think before you call others stupid.
shareWhat price freedom?
I saw the movie in its theatrical release and remember well the public controversy. The movie soft-peddled a very serious problem: Children committing suicide. Try to find statistics for it and what you'll find is suicides among youths under 15 are "buried" with stats for gunshots, accidental poisonings and mishaps. The truth is, possibly hundreds of children die each year by DELIBERATELY doing things their parents/guardians tell them not to do. There is a belief common in the medical and psych communities that many of these events are suicides but are officially recorded as accidental. Why? Two reasons: 1) It is very uncomfortable to consider why a child would deliberately take their own life, and 2) There is a legitimate concern that if children knew other children commit suicide, it might increase the number who attempt to end their own lives.
"Radio Flyer" addressed very realistically the reason children choose to hurt themselves. But like the character Mike in the movie, many viewers rationalize away the truth and choose the happy ending.
And crazy people continue to destroy their children.
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You sure sound like that big bad monster in the film called The King.
shareDid the director and writer say what the hell happened?
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
Yep. They've both said Bobby lives.
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So we're suppose to believe that it flew? And Bobby traveled around the world and never saw his brother again? Is he still flying that wagon plane?
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.
It's a fantasy film. Do you believe that a midget saved the world by destroying a ring?
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Did you take everything else in the film literally?
shareYes, he did die. It is a very disturbing and sad movie that has bothered me for years.
shareAccording to the director and writer no BUT IMO yes he did die. I would have been fine with Bobby traveling the world if it weren't for Mike's conversation with his kids at end.
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I am as "dumb" as the other posters ... I wanted him to be alive. And at the same time, we all had doubts (like about Santa!) because in our hearts we knew it didn't make sense. A story with the grim reality of child abuse is unlikely to include magic.
I mentioned the ending to my sister (who got hit every day of her childhood, but no bruises, blood or broken bones) and she sneered at me and said "Of COURSE he died, the stepfather killed him." She also claimed "it was in the book," but if so, the writer interview makes no sense.
I often feel confused by writing credits. By themselves, the writer and screenwriter make sense: one wrote the original and the second made it filmable. But then the writer of the "from the movie" post-movie cash-cow book turns up, and blurs the lines. Alan Dean Foster has written a dozen - there's no way he "wrote" the originals! Sometimes the original writer comes back and makes the screenplay back into a new book, and blows my mind! (Trace Richard Matheson's "I Am Legend" from its 1960s original as "The Last Man on Earth" starring Vincent Price. The movie matched the paperback faithfully, omitting his imprisonment but including the end, and yet Matheson disowned the movie?! And then BOTH alternate endings of the Will Smith movie polluted the 1960s paperback, but Matheson liked it?! Or maybe at this point he just liked the royalties, lol.)
The writer wrote something different. The director, didn't like the version he put out, so in interviews later, he lamented. But yes in analysis of what is in the movie, likely you could say that yes Tom Hanks character appears to be in denial of what actually happened, or fudging the retelling for the children. Which seems more like real-life.... tragic. But it also the preserved the possible 'Fantastic!' at the same time be 'Brilliant!!'
shareMy dad and I debated this for YEARS. I remember watching this movie when I was 10-years-old and my dad flat out said: He died! He didn't fly that thing! He's dead!
I looked at my dad and was shocked by his comments. But now at 31-years-old, it does make more sense of what my dad was saying.
1. Why didn't Bobby come back when he was grown?
2. Why didn't Tom Hanks's children ask about Uncle Bobby and when he was coming to visit?
3. Why didn't the mother send a search party out for him after he flew away?
So suddenly it's all clear now. But, my dad and I saw this movie, AGAIN, recently and we both concluded...he's alive. He grew up to become a REAL pilot and was, in fact, traveling the world.
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#1, I just wondered about. after watching this many times, & over the week-end. why doesn't Bobby come back? looks like the King is out of the picture. think the movie should have had Bobby come back home as an adult.
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This is not a fantasy film. It is meant to portray child abuse and be taken seriously.
That said, it is left up to the viewer to make of the story what they will. Bobby escaped the King and that is all that matters.
What is more disturbing is that the mother allowed the b-st-rd back into the home knowing beyond a doubt what kind of person he was. Forgiveness is one thing. Naivete and stupidity are something else.
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In the movie Bobby is shown flying away with Samson the turtle. Towards the end Mikey is asked by one of his sons if that was when they got Samson. So, if Mikey grew up with the turtle as a pet, I believe that Bobby did die or was murdered by King. Terribly sad movie and too close to real life stories of child abuse. I don't think I will be watching it again.
shareI think they asked if that was where they got Samson. But in any case, I believe the same thing.
Despite the attempt at the upbeat ending, you are left with a sense of loss because Bobby went away (escaped or died).
Very sad and all too real, indeed.
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My friends and I have debated the ending for years. With me it depends on the mood I'm in when watching this movie.
If I'm in a rotten mood and feeling depressed then yes Bobby did die at the end. The odds of anyone surviving turning a little toy wagon and rolling down a cliff is very very small.
If I'm in a good mood Bobby lived, and The King ended up being killed in jail for what he did to Bobby.
I know both the writer and direct or stated that Bobby lived. The debate will always rage on if Bobby lived and became a pilot or if he died. The ending of this movie actually leaves it up to the viewer to decide Bobby's fate.
The dog was killed by The King at the house. Bobby was killed by The King at the cliff. It made Mike feel better to think that the dog lived and Bobby flew away. But sadly, thats not what happened. Older Mike came right out and said the story he told is the story he WANTS to remember, and it's not the ACTUAL story.
Seriously, do people actually believe a 7-year-old flew around the world in an airplane made from a lawnmower and survived all on his own? Ask yourself this, how did he keep refueling the plane with no money? Did he work odd jobs at 7-years-old??
if you're looking at the story as if it happened in reality, then yeah Bobby died... if you look at it as a fantasy story, then it's very possibly that Bobby survived and flew around the world in his plane.
Ultimately I think it depends on how you look at the movie.. if you're a child more than likely you think Bobby flew around the world, if you watch the movie again as an adult you realize the truth is Bobby probably died.
Unless of course you go with the theory that Bobby wasn't real, which I don't think is the case at all...
if you're looking at the story as if it happened in reality, then yeah Bobby died... if you look at it as a fantasy story, then it's very possibly that Bobby survived and flew around the world in his plane.
Well, according to Elijah Wood, the original version of the script was less ambiguous and it was very clear that Bobby did, in fact, die.
shareyeah, Wood says, there were 2 director: the first one, last just one week and in the script he dies, but then The new director went on and they recast, so Wood was this time selected and also they changed the ending.. ( check wood talking about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOLgNlqsvLc&t=763s at 47:04 )
shareMike is Bobby, he created the alternate persona either as a coping mechanism, as a story telling device so he didn't have to directly tell his children how he was abused, or both. Yeah I understand earlier versions of the script have some other details, but that's not the version of the story that is on screen.
sharethe alternate persona doesn't make sense; the mother references to BOTH of them trough out the movie and searches for the other at the end - sad reality the kid crashed and died
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