Why were Scottish people part of the IRA?
excuse me, I'm quite ignorant about this subject. enlighten me
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Fergus is not Scottish. He just assumes a Scottish accent when he's hiding in London.
shareFail. Fergus' accent is quite clearly Irish throughout the movie.
shareThat's as may be re. the accent, BUT large numbers of people from Glasgow and Western Scotland derive from Irish extraction. Being Irish, they weren't subject to conscription during WWI and took a large number of industrial/menial jobs in the area vacated by the Scots drafted to the front. Add the Somme in 1916, following directly on from the Easter Rising of that year and a great deal of sectarianism has its roots from that point although its roots stem from further back in time. Both Loyalists and Republicans remain strongly supported in the poorer areas of Glasgow. Mutual preservation within a gang setting.
sharelarge numbers of people from Glasgow and Western Scotland derive from Irish extraction.Not a lot of people know that large numbers of Northern Irish were originally Scots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people
I'd argue that there are far more ex-Scots in Northern Ireland than the other way around... share
i see why you think fergus was thought to be scottish. is it when he went to get the hair cut? and dil asked if he was scottish? fergus said yes? sorry to disappoint you but fergus was lying.
shareHe clearly didn't want it to be known that he was from Northern Ireland so said he was Scottish as cover. The thing is, Northern Irish and Scottish accents are quite distinct and I really don't buy that Fergus's accent wasn't obviously recognised as Northern Irish by everyone he talked to.
I know most people on this board are American but once you have spent a decent amount of time in the UK then the glorious array of accents that litter these isles become quite familiar. I am a New Zealander and can quite easily separate Irish, Northern Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, cockney, Mancunian, Scouse, Brummie, Geordie, Yorkshire, Bolton, etc, etc, etc.
It is extremely unrealistic that Fergus was able to pass himself off as Scottish while in London without changing his accent.
I don't think Dil was passing him off as Scottish. For example, the construction foreman knew he was Irish because he referred to him as "Pat". The only mention of him as Scottish in the film is when Dil cuts his hair, but I think that was just to demonstrate Dil's ignorance. At first Dil thought he was American and was unable to correctly guess his native origin. Probably when he asked if he was Scottish, Fergus just patronized Dil to keep him from getting upset about incorrectly guessing his origin again.
shareHe was trying to pass himself off as Scottish - didn't want any connection to NI and his past. But when Dil tells the bartender that Jim is Scottish, you can tell right away that the bartender knows that he isn't.
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