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CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR (SPOILER REVIEW)


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The Best Comic Book Movie ever made
29 April 2016


This is a direct sequel to the events in Avengers: Age of Ultron. Where the entire world considers if having the Avengers saving the world is a risk worth taking due to the destruction and human loses they cause.

Daniel Bruhl plays Colonel Zemo, a Sokovian military man who after losing his entire family sets up a plan to do what gods and aliens have not succeed at, the destruction of the Avengers.

When the United Nations meet to sign the Sokovian accords, which is a document where the Avengers will act only IF the United Nations authorize it, Colonel Zemo coordinates a terrorist attack and blames it on The Winter Soldier, who was Captain America's best friend.

And as Captain Rogers fights to clear his friend of any wrong doings he has to also hide one of the crimes his friend is actually responsible for, the deaths of someone's parents that will not be easily forgiven.

The performances are great and the writers went above the call of duty in combining the tone of Captain America: The Winter Soldier which is a bit more somber, and the lighter side of the Avengers films, something the directors have already mastered at.

It brings all but two of The Avengers and introduces us to The Black Panther and to The Friendly-Neighborhood Spider-Man. Whose entire time he's on the screen is absolutely enjoyable, some said having a teenage Spider-man in the mix was a bad idea, I respectfully disagree. This is THE BEST live-action Spider-Man we have EVER seen.

This has to be the most emotional movie that Marvel Studios has ever released, it balances the action packed sequences with real emotions and a truly outstanding villain, arguably THE best villain in the entire saga, yes... arguably at the same level as Loki.

But while the villain is great, the real components that make this movie as outstanding as it is are the Avengers, who have faced Gods, aliens, terrorists, robots, but they have never faced the consequences of their actions nor do they had their friendships tested in such a powerful way before.

This is not just about Tony Stark against Steve Rogers, this conflicts involves the entire team and the compromises people face when they are forced to choose between freedom or security, and the overreaching power of global politics.

I will go on the record and say this was The Best Marvel Movie as of yet.

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Wait... you got to see it already?!

You fargin icehole! You no good som-na-ma-batch!
I'm gonna put your boils inna sling!

Sorry... I started channeling Roman Moroni there for a mintue.

But you lucky bastard. I still have to wait until after May 6th, more like the 9th or 10th.


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I up my bet, you will like Spider-Man.

ON other news:

WE GOT THE PUNISHER SERIES!!!!

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First I've got to ask (especially with the recent waves of trolls and whiners showing up), is this clip an adequate representation of the challenge of WB & DC to the MCU with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Marvel's response with Captain America: Civil War?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZcmrAJG3g

Second:

I up my bet, you will like Spider-Man.

And I shall maintain that I shall only tolerate him... though he could make it to upper scale tolerate zone (i.e. the mild-like category).

As long as his humor is more in the moment rather than just being an attention whore, and as long as it is obvious that he truly enjoys the rush of being Spider-Man rather than moping about his problems, then I'm good.

Also as long as Marvel doesn't overuse him and shove him into the forefront of every story like they came very close to doing with Iron Man... I'm also good.

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ON other news:

WE GOT THE PUNISHER SERIES!!!!

One more time: Oh, YEAH!
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is this clip an adequate representation of the challenge of WB & DC to the MCU with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Marvel's response with Captain America: Civil War?


No, Marvel's slap is done w the Infinity Gauntlet, ha ha ha.

As long as his humor is more in the moment rather than just being an attention whore, and as long as it is obvious that he truly enjoys the rush of being Spider-Man rather than moping about his problems, then I'm good.


You will like him... a lot. You might hate yourself and me when you realize you like him... but let the feeling in.

I figure we can expect Marvel's The Punisher late 2017

I figure:

-Iron Fist (March/April)
-The Defenders (August/Sept)
-The Punisher (Nov/Dec)

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No, Marvel's slap is done w the Infinity Gauntlet, ha ha ha.

Oh dude... an Infinity Gauntlet slap is your time altering, reality warping, establishing your godhood and dominance over all kind of slap.

You really thinking it went that far?

You will like him... a lot. You might hate yourself and me when you realize you like him... but let the feeling in.

I'll think about... I thought about it... no.
And I know the real deal breaker for me won't be the character or the actor or even how he is done on screen. It will be the Spider-Man fans... they are the ones who caused me to start hating the character over time rather than just mildly liking him.

It's kind of the same with Batman's fans... there are starting to cause me to hate the character, and I actually used to love Batman... but I am just getting sick of him.

I figure we can expect Marvel's The Punisher late 2017

I figure:

-Iron Fist (March/April)
-The Defenders (August/Sept)
-The Punisher (Nov/Dec)

I think that is overly optimistic. I think 2017 will just be Iron Fist and The Defenders. I think Marvel's focus at this point is to get those two done and out then focus on the rest of them.

Jessica Jones season 2 has even made headway and is supposed to start filming, but in 2017. I'm not sure I see Punisher doing better.

Granted it will all probably be a case on how quick people get their *beep* together and can get things rolling.


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And I know the real deal breaker for me won't be the character or the actor or even how he is done on screen. It will be the Spider-Man fans.


I'm a Spider-Man fan, always have been. But you know I'm just a big Marvel kid who loves it all. And Spider-man was ruined by Garfield and HIS sycophant fans that thought emo Spidey was good. Marvel has brought us the REAL Spider-Man this time.

I think that is overly optimistic. I think 2017 will just be Iron Fist and The Defenders. I think Marvel's focus at this point is to get those two done and out then focus on the rest of them.

Jessica Jones season 2 has even made headway and is supposed to start filming, but in 2017. I'm not sure I see Punisher doing better.


Melissa Rosenberg is pushing for Jessica Jones S2 to start filming in 2017 but I think that we will be seeing three shows per year, heck, ABC will be doing it, I think Netflix will be doing it also.

And granted, The Punisher was extremely well received, Marvel will not waste this opportunity and he might show up on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. still since the Micro thing deserves a look at.
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Oh dude... an Infinity Gauntlet slap is your time altering, reality warping, establishing your godhood and dominance over all kind of slap.

You really thinking it went that far?


Let's recap, shall we?

2013:
-Man o Steel fails to win critics and divides audiences.
-DC/WB announces sequel will have Batman in it.

2014:
-Captain America: The Winter Soldier is an astounding success, a sleeper hit if you will. Not only was one of the best entries that Marvel Studios had produced but it gave much needed like to Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which was at risk of cancellation at the time.
-DC/WB announces "Batman v Superman" will open on September 2015
-Marvel Studios announces Untitled Captain America movie to open on May 6th,
2016
-DC/WB announces that due to "Scheduling issues and to make the movie better it would be delayed to (coincidentally) May 6th, 2016."
-According to the directors themselves, the Russo brothers convince Kevin Feige that Captain America 3 has to follow the Civil War story line to keep competing on an ever growing market.
-Guardians Of The Galaxy is Marvel's 2nd sleeper hit in a row.
-Marvel Studios officially announces the schedule for the Marvel Cinematic Universe Phase III movies, including the Untitled Captain America movie that is now confirmed to be called CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR and will co-star Robert Downey Jr.

2015:
-DC/WB reveals the full title of their movie will be BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, sources inside WB say the executives are waiting for Marvel Studios to yield their opening day.
-Marvel Studios officially announces a deal has been struct with SONY Enterprises that allows Spider-Man to be on CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR.
-DC/WB announces their movie will open on March 25th, 2016 instead (one more thing to thank Spidey for).

2016
-BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE opens to a badge of negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes (28%), and after the first weekend it receives mostly negative WOM
-BvS loses the third BO weekend to a MELISSA McCARTHY MOVIE (OUCH!)
-BvS doesn't even make it to $900M at the WW BO and the DCEU starts to lose directors for their up-coming movies.
-Robert Downey Jr is announced to co-star on SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING
-CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR receives a 95% rating at Rotten Tomatoes
-CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR finishes its first International weekend BO (without China, Russia or the US) at $200,200,000
-The same weekend that Marvel Studios officially announces a Netflix series about The Punisher.
Forbes estimates that Civil War will end up around $1.2B

So yes, brother. WB played ball but Marvel was game, they used a lot of similar cinematic elements, but over all Marvel was better.

TELL ME the smack across their face is NOT done with THE Infinity Gauntlet.

You know what you got to say, brother...

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I'm a Spider-Man fan, always have been. But you know I'm just a big Marvel kid who loves it all.

Yeah, see I don't think of you as a Spider-Man fan, but as a Marvel fan whose favorite character happens to be Spider-Man.

That is very different from Spider-Man fans, only like Spider-Man, and *beep* the rest of the Marvel universe. They are also the ones who usually shove it down your throat the most that you have to love Spider-Man whether you wan to or not. I've dealt with far far far too many of those Spider-Man fans over my life with comics.

They are like the people who say they are X-Men fans but only read the comics for Wolverine or those who claim to be DC fans but really only like Batman (and are completely happy to see every other DC hero turned into a Batman wannabe).

It is those fans that piss me off... and always will.

Melissa Rosenberg is pushing for Jessica Jones S2 to start filming in 2017 but I think that we will be seeing three shows per year, heck, ABC will be doing it, I think Netflix will be doing it also.

And granted, The Punisher was extremely well received, Marvel will not waste this opportunity and he might show up on Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. still since the Micro thing deserves a look at.

I just think 2017 is too early. I see the Netflix show jumping to 3 a year after The Defenders... so 2018.

TELL ME the smack across their face is NOT done with THE Infinity Gauntlet.

You know when it is all laid out like that... yeah... yeah.

Christ, then what type of slap to the face could Avengers: Infinity War parts 1 & 2 be to Justice League parts 1 & 2? Because I don't see WB & DC getting their *beep* together to make Justice League a true challenge to the Avengers.

Which with all the history of the comics just seems so odd that the Justice League couldn't be a true cultural and financial challenger to the Avengers. But I guess that is the direction of Zack *beep* Snyder for you.


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Yeah, see I don't think of you as a Spider-Man fan, but as a Marvel fan whose favorite character happens to be Spider-Man.


Fair enough.

That is very different from Spider-Man fans, only like Spider-Man, and *beep* the rest of the Marvel universe. They are also the ones who usually shove it down your throat the most that you have to love Spider-Man whether you wan to or not. I've dealt with far far far too many of those Spider-Man fans over my life with comics.

They are like the people who say they are X-Men fans but only read the comics for Wolverine or those who claim to be DC fans but really only like Batman (and are completely happy to see every other DC hero turned into a Batman wannabe).


Yeah, those people are annoying, in both sides of the aisle because those are the ones praising CW's Arrow, which in itself is a Nolan Batman's wannabe. Those are also the ones that praise Singer and it HURTS, it physically hurts when they say "but... but... wolverine has always been their leader..." I want to physically hurt someone over that one.

All I ask is let his presence not bother you in the MCU, give him a chance.

I just think 2017 is too early. I see the Netflix show jumping to 3 a year after The Defenders... so 2018.


It could go either way, but with a growing competition I know we both hope I'm right. Marvel has to take advantage of the audience they have and give us The Punisher asap... unless he appears in The Defenders.

You know when it is all laid out like that... yeah... yeah.


IN MARVEL WE TRUST

Christ, then what type of slap to the face could Avengers: Infinity War parts 1 & 2 be to Justice League parts 1 & 2? Because I don't see WB & DC getting their *beep* together to make Justice League a true challenge to the Avengers.


An Infinity Gauntlet BITCH-SLAP joined by a Spidey swing kick to the face and a falcon punch?

I dont feel sorry for DC/WB, they wanted to face a Leviathan for no better reason than to prove they still rule... which they don't. It would have been easier to go the usual route and give each and every character a movie before BvS or Justice League but they didn't think it thru. Sources now claim Snyder and his vision are the reason the directors are abandoning ship... because being honest his vision sucks.

They could have used CW's The Flash for example, he is amazingly popular across the globe and he is a really good Flash. But Snyder thought he was "too light" to fit his universe so they will make another Flash movie and presumably do the Flashpoint story line... again! When the CW show did it beautiful.

Nothing last forever and that includes the MCU, by 2022 it will be winding down. I would suggest to DC to cancel their slate, go back to formula (pun intended) and wait it out a couple of years, try again.

Because they might have their JLA films... but a CHALLENGE to the MCU? Culturally or financially? NOt a snowball's chance in Phhoenix, AZ on a warm August day.

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Those are also the ones that praise Singer and it HURTS, it physically hurts when they say "but... but... wolverine has always been their leader..." I want to physically hurt someone over that one.

Dude, I ran across just as many if not more people who have told me that not only was Spider-Man a founding member of the Avengers but their mainstay leader over the years...

The only difference between the two is I actually like Wolverine (he's not in my top 5 X-Men but he is still in the top 10). So that mitigates the headache some (not a lot, just some) when I run across those very idiots who think Wolverine was always the X-Men's leader (or even a founding member).

All I ask is let his presence not bother you in the MCU, give him a chance.

I'll only get annoyed if he takes up more screen time and story presence than Iron Man did in the Avenger movies or even as much (unless there is a good story reason like in Age of Ultron).

And I'll really be pissed if they ever try to make Spider-Man be the team leader just because he is a popular character.

It could go either way, but with a growing competition I know we both hope I'm right. Marvel has to take advantage of the audience they have and give us The Punisher asap... unless he appears in The Defenders.

As I said I think right now the main focus is to get Iron Fist and the Defenders done and out, then go to town on the rest of it. However Frank making an appearance in the Defenders (even briefly) would not go amiss.

I dont feel sorry for DC/WB, they wanted to face a Leviathan for no better reason than to prove they still rule... which they don't. It would have been easier to go the usual route and give each and every character a movie before BvS or Justice League but they didn't think it thru. Sources now claim Snyder and his vision are the reason the directors are abandoning ship... because being honest his vision sucks.

They could have used CW's The Flash for example, he is amazingly popular across the globe and he is a really good Flash. But Snyder thought he was "too light" to fit his universe so they will make another Flash movie and presumably do the Flashpoint story line... again! When the CW show did it beautiful

From everything I've seen and read Snyder can't get off Frank Miller and Alan Moore's cock for five second to appreciate and understand the rest of the DC universe. It's like he is constantly flipping the bird to anyone and everyone who liked the lighter side of DC.

And what I've found over the last 2-3 years is that the majority of people who loved Man of Steel didn't really like Superman all that much to begin with. And it seems the same for fans of BvS. The same can kind of be said for the people who loved BvS's version of Batman. If you wanted to see the Arkham video games brought to life with an even more miserable harsher edge, you got that. If you want to see the classic comic book or even 90's cartoon Batman, it still missed the mark... in some ways greatly (like, you know Batman not being murder happy or actually being a good detective).

The Flash TV show gets the character and the world, and as lame as both Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl have bad habits of being more often than not they still do better jobs at embracing their source materials and characters than the DC movies have in the last 3-5 years.

Nothing last forever and that includes the MCU, by 2022 it will be winding down. I would suggest to DC to cancel their slate, go back to formula (pun intended) and wait it out a couple of years, try again.

I think Marvel has the potential to last rather long. They may slow down the number of films they release in a year or even take a year or two off in between films, but I don't think it will just come to an end and later be rebooted.

Mostly because Marvel is willing to evolve in a way, and more importantly willing to embrace the myriad of character they have at their disposal to tell a variety of stories. And they seem more willing to just recast previously established character with new actors, rather than reboot the same old stories.

Spider-Man got the reboot only because Marvel and Marvel Studios wanted to shout to the world, "This is our Spider-Man!"

Also Feige himself I think stated once that one of the Avenger's greatest advantages was their ever changing roster of heroes. Which again just shows the different mindset with Marvel compared to WB & DC.

It's just so screwed up. Batman v Superman should have been much more of a crowning victory, and Suicide Squad should have been a victory lap film that 'could have failed but who cares.' Now it's up to Suicide Squad and later Wonder Woman to rebuild good will with audiences before Justice League arrives? WTF?

And it's not like those films won't have close by comparisons (not so much competition). Dr. Strange will come out a couple months after Suicide Squad, and Wonder Woman I think will be preceded by Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and followed by Spider-Man: Homecoming. Not to mention the third Wolverine movie in there somewhere in that first half of 2017.

Because they might have their JLA films... but a CHALLENGE to the MCU? Culturally or financially? NOt a snowball's chance in Phhoenix, AZ on a warm August day.

Which is just so odd... and wrong to a degree. The Justice League having to play catch up to the Avengers, and not looking like they can do it.

IN MARVEL WE TRUST

The difference between a company that has an actual plan (but not one set in stone, one that can change and evolve as needed) run by a guy who loves the comics and a company that really doesn't have a plan and almost feels like they picked a guy at random to set the tone.


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What are your thoughts on CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR++And on Spider-Man?

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i agree with everything

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Testified.

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Great review. The emotional tension and involvement were solid, Spider-Man and The Black Panther were spot-on, and the action was perfectly choreographed. Also, while I wouldn't say Zemo is up there with Loki, he certainly has potential. I want to see him come back, he could be EXTREMELY dangerous with how clever and smart he already is, without a need for superpowers. I'm hoping they develop him as the next major pest villain for the heroes to have to deal with in the future, perhaps as the true archenemy of the entire team since he already hates the group as a whole.

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