The Nick and Beth "apartment" scene always seems to divide opinion as to wether or not it was rape. I think the director deliberately made the scene ambiguous and open to interpretation. Imo, it is more rape than it isn't, given, as people on this thread have already highlighted, that Beth repeatedly said no; she clearly was not consenting to the sex, and, indeed, tried earnestly to get back up when Nick had forced her over the couch and had forcefully ripped her pants off; she even yelled "Stop it!" towards the end just before Nick entered her from behind. The only reason a lot of people don't consider it rape is because they had a previous intimate relationship and she still had feelings for him. I don't think Beth would've pressed charges against Nick (I don't know how it would've stood in court without witnesses), but during the scene, strictly speaking, there was an element of rape to it, imo.
Also, it was quite disturbing that Beth seemed to panic when Nick put here over the couch. Maybe she thought Nick was going to, er, how can I put it without being too graphic or crass, give her a back door delivery? Any thoughts on this? Maybe they had this type of sex regularly in the past, only this time she was fearing it forcefully? Any thoughts?
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10 years ago
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dream_anatomy
9 years ago
*beep* man, just because someone goes back to someone's apartment and wear's sexy clothes it doesn't mean they waive their right to say no to the kind of sex they don't want.
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KilliansConstant
9 years ago
I know, right?? People have the right to change their mind!
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9 years ago
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Simon-140
9 years ago
she knew exactly what Nick was going to do with her
The whole point is that she did not know what "Nick was going to do with her." She undoubtedly expected sex - probably sex of the kind that they'd had in the past - but how could she have known her clothes would be ripped off, that she'd be thrown over the back of a sofa and so on?
I don't think this was rape, as I don't recall her saying "stop" but it was close.
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To the OP, when you watch PG-13 films, do you ever complain about all the clothed scenes?
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activista
9 years ago
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When she went into that apartment, wearing that incredibly sexy tight mini-skirt and very sexy lace hold-up stockings, she knew exactly what Nick was going to do with her, so any protesting against it on her part will be a complete waste of time.
Bull****----a women is NOT asking to be raped based on how she dresses---that's always been an excuse for men to justify fcking with a woman without taking responsibility for their own actions toward her. . Like I said, a man dosen't decide what he wants to do to a woman without her consent. Dressing a certain way and being alone with a man in an apartment does NOT give a man the right to sexually assault her, and if you actually believe that bull****, you're obviously fcked-up and need some help. Being alone with a women does not give a man some damn free all-access pass to her body, and anybody who thinks so is nothing but a fcking sexual predator. If the women wants to kick it with the man, and has told him so, then it's all cool because it's consensual. But if the guy decides he's gonna do whatever to her, and not give a damn whether she wants to or not, that's fcking rape. Nothing "sexy" at all about that s***. And even though it's been awhile since I've seen the film, I don't remember thinking that it was consensual at all---it just seemed to come out of nowhere and came off more like some shock tactic thrown into the film. I would also say you need to remember that this was only a film, not reality.
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