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all columbus detractors need to get a life and gain some perspective!


we remember his daring feat, not necessarily because it was the first visit by a european to the new world but because it was the first of its kind with regards to its well-known stated goals of finding a direct route to the indies and 'permanently' settling and evangelizing new lands.. NO ONE had previously attempted such a bold feat, let alone done so by cutting straight through the mid-atlantic as columbus' original expedition did..

most importantly, there was the issue of the monumentally cataclysmic cultural exchange columbus' voyage set in motion, the 'columbian exchange,' a swapping of cultural, intellectual, technological, artistic and dietary commodities across the globe which constituted the greatest and most pervasive cross-pollination of ideas humanity has ever seen, and one which essentially catapulted the human race from the middle ages into the modern age..

this is why we celebrate columbus today: for his role as a modern visionary in helping to transform the known world.. and those who conveniently choose to ignore such a monumental legacy simply because the man was not a 'perfectly pc' individual are simply doing themselves and history a great disservice.. i.e., we cannot judge historical figures by modern moral standards but rather by the standards and CONTEXT of their own age and we also cannot expect every one of history's great pioneers to have been 'perfect' in every way, for NONE were.. men are primarily a product of their times, a fact which does not diminish in the least their ultimate worth and significance as historically relevant figures nor their dramatic feats or role in shaping modern history..

yet, suddenly, the merry band of happily misinformed and judgemental anti-columbus nazis pretend to tarnish this man's modern image and reputation, by merely casting him as some kind of 'criminally racist, genocidal demon'.. a mere repeat of the same, old, tired and antiquated 'black legend' of yore.. <sigh>

legendary propaganda campaigns like the 'black legend,' merely aimed at tarnishing spain's role in the age of discovery should be things of the past for, this many years after the actual events and with the full benefit of research as well as hindsight, we should not allow ourselves to revert to the mere propaganda-mongering ways of centuries ago.. have we progressed not an inch since then? are our minds still so narrow that we are suddenly and completely unable to appreciate the monumental role that columbus and spain played in settling, evangelizing and bringing culture, technology and the arts to distant lands?

let us celebrate the man for what he was and for the supernaturally awe-inspiring feats he was able to accomplish, not for what he allegedly was not.. the same goes for the imperial power that sponsored him.. no empire has ever been perfect.. yet spain's stated evangelical goals made its crusade of discovery and colonization an infinitely more humane effort than would have been the case had a non-clerical, non-religion-based enterprise pioneered the vast discoveries spain's sponsorship of columbus pioneered.. case in point, let us simply look at the nearly extinct numbers of 'native americans' vis a vis individuals of european ancestry in north america versus the large numbers of native americans who still remain south of the border in central and south america and ask ourselves:

1. if the spaniards were supposed to be so degenerately racist and genocidally evil, how come so many millions of people of native heritage remain to this day in the former spanish colonies of the new world or asia compared to the united states, canada, australia, etc.?

2. if the spaniards were supposedly only interested in raping and pillaging, how come the former spanish colonies in the americas and around the world still constitute the greatest and most complex and cosmopolitan grouping of monumental and artistically-important cities, universities, cathedrals and fortifications in the colonial world?

3. if the spaniards were supposedly only interested in obliterating native cultures, how come such a voluminous number of native american archeological sites, monuments and artifacts remain in the former spanish colonies (especially in mexico and perú) and in museum collections around the world?

4. if the spaniards were supposedly only interested in obliterating native cultures, how come so much of what we now know about native american cultures stems from the early work of spanish missionaries in translating original mesoamerican and south american treatises from their native nahuatl and quechua into spanish and latin?

5. how come the father of modern american ethnography was the XVI-century spaniard bernardino de sahagún?

6. how come the father of 'universal' human rights was the XVI-century spaniard bartolomé de las casas?

7. how come the earliest and most significant colonial cities and foundations in north america, both north and south of the border, including the monumental colonial cities of mexico and peru as well as the california and san antonio missions in the present-day united states, are a product of spain's cultural legacy?

spain's role in creating the first and greatest 'truly global' colonial empire the world has ever seen with regards to culture, language, art and architecture, as well as the first 'global currency' and economic system in human history, are 'monumental achievements' that simply cannot be swept under the rug or written out of history.. likewise, neither can we sweep under the rug the 'monumental achievements' of its original messenger, christopher columbus.. and spain's seminal role in the present-day united states with regards to the first evangelical foundations, fortifications and human setlements likewise cannot be written out of american history for they ARE american history and remain a vital and integral part of our collective heritage as americans..

again, outdated and biased smear campaigns and 'black legends' aimed at merely obliterating an entire nation or empire's legacy in and contribution to modern history have no place in modern (educated and informed) discourse, for, as we mature and progress, our thought processes, mentality and perspective ought to mature and broaden as well, not regress and shut down..

just food for thought..

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While I do agree with you with the overbearing hatred for Spain (as if no other country doesn't have blood behind it) but, your mention of Columbus not being a 'pc-individual' is a bit bold.
You simply cannot ignore the genocide that his policies encouraged. You cannot. Yes he's an important historical figure but we shouldn't ignore his evils, regardless of his other wonderful traits.

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All the crap about his genocide was made up...All he did was discover America, get off it man...Show me pictures of him killing Indians and I'll believe you...it's funny, COLUMBUS WAS A FRIGGIN' HERO FROM 1492 TO 1990, then some liberal punk ass REVISIONISTS turned him into HITLER...In truth, the hatred of this man is because he's White and the WORLD hates WHITEY right now...

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It's actually very funny how revisionists create Devils out of actual heroes, I am sure in 300 years someone will be saying Neil Armstrong killed 300 Moonmen when he took his 1st step on the moon...

NONSENSE! HAPPY COLUMBUS DAY!!! AN AMERICAN FEDERAL HOLIDAY AS LONG AS THERE ARE ITALIAN AMERICANS IN THE USA...Try and change the holiday and you'll have a horses head in your momma's bed...I am glad he was Italian, lucky he wasn't French because they would have agreed with the revisionists!

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i am sick of liberal revisionisms too. sick to my stomach of them, actually

it almost makes ya wanna take to the streets, and beat it out of em.

they are so STUPID


"rage to exist..." http://tinyurl.com/c9ush3z

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op

i really like your style. i really do

the stupidity of the prevailing culture today troubles me a great deal. i have thought about making a blog to try and comment from time to time on the idiocy of things today and how they will look if looked back upon in the future. i was gonna call it '1000 years from now'

but honestly, nobody cares. so really i'd be typing it all to myself, which is a waste of time anyhow. because the ones who know what's up already know what's up, and there's no changing the roman mob anyway, so why expend energy trying to teach a pig to sing.

it's a sad state of affairs when the basics of everything that is, of life even, escape people. i keep falling back on jefferson's 'natural law' principle, hoping that some day we can return to a sense of reason. but sadly i do not see this happening in my lifetime.

thanks again for the lucid thoughts.





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Yeah some guy he was:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/columbus_day

Why, how could anyone dare say a bad word about him!

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I agree with the OP. Columbus took a huge risk by leaving his family, abdicating the wishes of the Church and embracing a whole new culture. Unfortunately, he learned the hard way that conflict was inevitable with Caucasians and Non-Whites.

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Murder, theft, torture, rape...is that what we call it now? Conflict? Also. Conflict between Caucasians and other Caucasians is what?

But judging by your other post though, it is safe to conclude you are a troll.

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The combined effects of Columbus' forced labor regime, war, and slaughter resulted in the near-total eradication of 98% of the native Taino of Hispaniola. De las Casas records that when he first came to Hispaniola in 1508, "there were 60,000 people living on this island, including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it...."

The native Taino people of the island were systematically enslaved via the encomienda system implemented by Columbus, which resembled a feudal system in Medieval Europe.

Disease played a significant role in the destruction of the natives; however there is no record of any massive smallpox epidemic in the Antilles until 25 years after the arrival of Columbus; rather the natives' numbers declined due to extreme overwork, other diseases, and a loss of will to live after the destruction of their culture by the invaders. When the first pandemic finally struck in 1519 it wiped out much of the remaining native population. According to the historian Gonzalo Fernandez de Oviedo y Valdes by 1548, 56 years after Columbus landed, fewer than five hundred Taino were left on the island.

Columbus' treatment of the Hispaniola natives was even worse; his soldiers raped, killed, and enslaved with impunity at every landing. When Columbus fell ill in 1495, soldiers were reported to have gone on a rampage, slaughtering 50,000 natives. Upon his recovery, Columbus organized his troops' efforts, forming a squadron of several hundred heavily armed men and more than twenty attack dogs. The men tore across the land, killing thousands of sick and unarmed natives. Soldiers would use their captives for sword practice, attempting to decapitate them or cut them in half with a single blow.

The historian Howard Zinn writes that Columbus spearheaded a massive slave trade; in 1495 his men captured in a single raid 1500 Arawak men, women, and children. When he shipped five hundred of the slaves to Spain, 40% died en route. Historian James W. Loewen asserts that "Columbus not only sent the first slaves across the Atlantic, he probably sent more slaves – about five thousand – than any other individual... other nations rushed to emulate Columbus."

When slaves held in captivity began to die at high rates, Columbus switched to a different system of forced labor: he ordered all natives over the age of thirteen to collect a specified amount (one hawk's bell full) of gold powder every three months. Natives who brought the amount were given a copper token to hang around their necks, and those found without tokens had their hands amputated and were left to bleed to death.

The Arawaks attempted to fight back against Columbus's men but lacked their armor, guns, swords, and horses. When taken prisoner, they were hanged or burned to death. Desperation led to mass suicides and infanticide among the natives. In just two years under Columbus' governorship more than half of the 250,000 Arawaks in Haiti were dead. The main cause for the depopulation was disease followed by other causes such as warfare and harsh enslavement.

Samuel Eliot Morison, a Harvard historian and author of a multivolume biography on Columbus writes, "The cruel policy initiated by Columbus and pursued by his successors resulted in complete genocide." Loewen laments that while "Haiti under the Spanish is one of the primary instances of genocide in all human history", only one major history text he reviewed mentions Columbus' role in it.

There is evidence that the men of the first voyage also brought syphilis from the New World to Europe. Many of the crew members who served on this voyage later joined the army of King Charles VIII in his invasion of Italy in 1495. After the victory, Charles' largely mercenary army returned to their respective homes, thereby spreading "the Great Pox" across Europe and triggering the deaths of more than five million people.

On his way back to Spain to stand trial for accusations of abuse of Spaniard colonists, he wrote a letter to the nurse of the son of Ferdinand and Isabella, pleading his case. Among it he wrote:

"Now that so much gold is found, a dispute arises as to which brings more profit, whether to go about robbing or to go to the mines. A hundred castellanos are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten are now in demand, and for all ages a good price must be paid."

KNOW YOUR HISTORY, YOU IGNORANT POS

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