If Columbus hadn't landed in the New World in 1492...
...which country's explorer would have done so?
I'm guessing Portugal would have in short order.
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It had already been "discovered" by the vikings some 5 centuries earlier...
shareI realize that. But during the exploration era I figured the Portugeese would have eventually landed over there regardless if Columbus had gone.
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How could the Vikings discover a place which already had people living in it???!
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"How could the Vikings discover a place which already had people living in it???!"
By that reasoning Columbus discovered nothing either. It was a discovery for the old world. Not a discovery of the new world for the new world, by the old world.
No, the Vikings never discovered the New World. It was Columbus. All dicoveries have several elements which must be met whether it be the discovery of a new drug, a scientific advancement or land. It's quite simple... first the discovery must be new/unknown and of equal importance it must be communicated to others so it can be replicated by others. It is the communication and replication that eliminates the Vikings.
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shareAs established by Adolf Loos. Architect and Fetishist...?
Or whom exactly?
As established by Adolf Loos. Architect and Fetishist...?
Or whom exactly?
And it's the "new/unknown" that eliminates Columbus. Since more than 100 million people knew of it's existence and already inhabited the land of the Americas, as their ancestors had migrated there in waves millennia earlier, no one else can "discover" it, as it was already discovered by humans.
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by li-911-404682 » 15 hours ago (Mon Jun 13 2016 04:49:21)...And it's the "new/unknown" that eliminates Columbus. Since more than 100 million people knew of it's existence and already inhabited the land of the Americas, as their ancestors had migrated there in waves millennia earlier, no one else can "discover" it, as it was already discovered by humans.
Population has nothing to do with it. In the movie Castaway Tom Hanks had no idea where he was. And whether you multiply the individual by 1 million 10 million 100 million these were still people who did not know the world as it is. It was a great explorers who inch by inch painstakingly pushed their ships further and further along the coastlines of the various continents. They mapped and documented as they traveled and brought that knowledge back to the rest of the world. Even with this knowledge the Europeans were still ignorant of the Western Hemisphere. It was this that Columbus's expedition was instrumental in clearing up Had the natives of the Americas had the scientific knowledge, knowledge of longitude and latitude, the engineering knowledge to build great ships and sail the oceans. And use this knowledge to sail the world. Then they would have been the discovers of Europe. Yes, what you say is true there were people inhabiting the Americas. But from the time they crossed that land bridge in north America and migrating south to the day Columbus arrived their advancement was next to negligible. Some societies did show advancement but were at a stage Europeans had gone through thousands of years before. It was Columbus's expedition that bought all the knowledge developed by the Europeans and Asians to the New World. And which ultimately led to the further advancements to come in the next 500 years which would have left the natives even further behind.
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100 million seems extremely high. I see estimates of 8mm to 112mm, and I think the truth is closer to the 8mm. Irrespective, I have been studying ancient peoples and I feel that due to the mortality, isolation, and lack of development outside Mexico, the number is much lower. Since the European society is our vantage point, the "New World" was "discovered".
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