Could the murderers of Gorkon have beamed to the cloaked ship or is it not possible in the Trek universe to beam to a cloaked vessel? I imagine it's not possible (which is why Spock was so certain they were still aboard), but I wasn't sure.
If it is possible to beam to a cloaked ship why did they stay on the Enterprise?
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Honestly, in Star Trek III: The Search For Spock they beam up Kruge after Torg has engaged the cloaking device. So yes, it would make better sense to have had the assassins beam from and back to the Bird of Prey. The only action that needed to be taken on Enterprise was the logs reflecting that the ship had fired.
As fans, I guess we could make up the excuse that this Bird of Prey was a prototype and had to somehow reroute power wherever it could in order to be able to fire when cloaked, which might have robbed it of the ability to transport people while cloaked. But none of that is even hinted at in the film.
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That's a good explanation, Solar, thanks. I couldn't remember if people could beam in/out of a cloaked vessel.
Anyway, I posted this same question on the TOS board and it led to an insightful discussion on the topic. Here's what my wife and I concluded:
My wife and I discussed it and we came up with this possible conclusion: The assassins originated from the Enterprise and were Starfleet personnel; if they didn't beam back to the Enterprise everyone would know that they were the culprits. As it was, they beamed back to the Enterprise confident that they wouldn't be discovered. They also likely didn't think the cloaked ship would be discovered since a cloaked ship was not able to fire phasers (or whatever) up to that point.
Another poster pointed out that the hidden Bird of Prey must have beamed the assassins site to site (from the Enterprise to Kronos One and back) since it was a red transporter beam and not Starfleet blue.
What do you think?
Another poster pointed out that the hidden Bird of Prey must have beamed the assassins site to site (from the Enterprise to Kronos One and back) since it was a red transporter beam and not Starfleet blue.
What do you think?
Yes you can beam onto a cloaked vessel as the transporter is reliant on coordinates and a cloaking device basically bends light and deflects sensor signals in away from the hull, The transporter room on the cloak ship is still there.
Why would the conspirators return to the Enterprise? The prototype bird of pray is supposed to be top secret and no-one but the highest levels of the Klingon Empire is supposed to know it exists. Transporters keep a record of who is transported and where. So the two who transported aboard Kronos 1 and never returned would immediately identify who the assassins were and would reveal that there was a third cloaked ship that wasn't supposed to be there and would have tipped off both the Klingons and the Enterprise that there was a cloaked ship nearby that could fire it's torpedoes while cloaked. Returning to the enterprise would mean that the crew is accounted for and the conspirators could alter the transporter logs to cover their tracks.
As for the last part, Valeris could have altered the transporter AND torpedo logs whether the other two beamed back or not. But the rest makes sense, especially the part about missing people obviously being the guilty parties. As was mentioned previously.
shareGenerations movie makes a point that a cloaked bird of prey has no shields, so i guess beaming there should be possible.
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Generations movie makes a point that a cloaked bird of prey has no shields, so i guess beaming there should be possible.
Makes me wonder why they couldn't just fire at the distortion. But I suppose that's not accurate enough. Or perhaps more likely, not dramatic enough.
shareI guess there was always the chance that the energy distortion was something else. Being Star Trek, it could have been sort sort of alien entity for all they knew. I suppose it is best to know for sure before firing. That'd be my guess, anyhow. But like you said, firing at the distortion isn't dramatic enough!
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" I suppose it is best to know for sure before firing "
Yup, part of the plot of a DS9 ep actually...
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It's a point that exploits the fact that cloaking & shield technology in Trek has never been 100% consistent. Do ships have to lower shields to cloak or don't they? They're both high energy-expenditure systems, so maybe they can't both be powered at the same time. They also both use artificial gravity fields to distort space-- shields distort it so that the energy of weapons fire will be deflected or absorbed and cloaking distorts it to bend light around the ship-- maybe those two A/G field configurations conflict with each other, maybe they don't. It seems Trek's writers tweak the technology according to the needs of the plot from episode to episode.
But, if you're asking how they could have targeted the transporter on an invisible ship, that's easier to explain. A transporter can be targeted to coordinates relative to the destination (like "XYZ on that planet right there") or relative to the internal coordinates system of the ship that's beaming you down ("30 degrees by 90 degrees at a range of 10 kilometers" from the ship's center of mass). Using the latter method, as long as the person at the transporter's controls knows where the bird-of-prey is supposed to be relative to the Enterprise (which would be maintained as consistently as possible by the bird-of-prey in order to be inconspicuous), they could program it to beam them there.
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