Cringeworthy moments


Translating Klingon from books
Crew bunks and galley -- when it's well-established crew had cabins and food was computer-processed
establishing that a phaser cannot be used on board the ship... Only to have a later plot element depend on firing a phaser on the ship.
Searching for botto instead of uniforms... Only to have the boots turn out worthless.
"To rotest work conditions, Dutch workers threw their wooden shoes, called Sabo, into the machinery..."
"An ancestor of mine once maintained that if you eliminate everything that is impossibe..."
"There is an old Vulcan proverb: Only Nixon could go to China"
"re you familiar wi the Russian Fairy Tale of Conderlla?
"The Operation is over"
"I bet you wish you stood in bed"
"We have a heartbeat"
"It's gotta have a tailpipe."
"Care to assist me in performing surgery on a torpedo?" "Fascinating!"
"Court reporter to take statement from. Rewmen Smith and Jones.
Court reporter to take statement from Smith and Jones.
Court reporter
Smith and Jones.
everybody got that? Court reporter to take statement...
"Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we are capable of doing a thing, it does not necessarily follow that thatching must be done."
"That was not his kneecaps. (ButI suspect you're to stupid to get thejo,e, so I'll add "Not everyone keeps their genitals in the same place." (Some keep the, in alocker, some in asafedeposit box...)
and of course...
totally misunderstanding Shakespeare's use of the term "The Undiscoved Country"

I find this list considerably longer than a similar one forTrek V.


"After years of fighting with reality, I am pleased to say that I have finally won out over it."

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The Undiscovered Country was indeed a very uneven movie. And the humor, like in V and I have to say, as in the TNG movies, was forced.

And the out of nowhere: "Gas. Gas Captain"...so awkward...

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I always figured Sulu/Excelsior was originally supposed to do that, since after all they had already been cataloging gaseous anomalies. There was no reason for Enterprise to have all that equipment that Uhura mentioned. But it was changed later in the script in order for Kirk to be the main hero again. Hence the "need" for some added dialogue to somehow make it seem to make sense.

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Hence the "need" for some added dialogue to somehow make it seem to make sense.


Yeah, Uhura mentioning all of that equipment seemed way out of left field. Kirk had no answer to it and it would have been good to see Sulu come up with it with Kirk still helping on the "Fire" parts.

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I always figured it was supposed to be Enterprise in the opening scene, but your explanation seems at least as logical.

Still, nice as it would have been to give Sulu a more prominent part in the drama, this is the big climax of the last movie with Kirk, Spock and McCoy, so it's reasonable that they should be the ones to resolve the crisis.


"After years of fighting with reality, I am pleased to say that I have finally won out over it."

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Yes we all know that Shakespeare was talking about death. So they change it to mean the Future. Whippy Dippy Doo. Both seem like uncertain prospects to me. Its still a good movie. Better than this JJ nonsense.

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Nick Meyer's DVD commentary for one.
He's a talented and intelligent man, but spending 2 hours talking about the films thematic parallels to our political, social world over and over and over is plain irritating.

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as I've said elsewhere, I believe it doesn't so much explore and illuminate the end of the cold war as simply reference it.

Meyer is an intelligent man, but he likes to pretend he's more intelligent and literate than he is. I'd rather he were simply content with the enormous talent he does possess. that talent was on full display in TWOK, without the pretensions, and the result was a much better movie.

One of the reasons we respect Nimoy is he never pretended to know more than he did.

"After years of fighting with reality, I am pleased to say that I have finally won out over it."

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And the humor in ST IV never felt forced or out of place.

"Lovey-dovey. Bonk bonk on the head!"

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Can't tell if you're being sarcastic

"After years of fighting with reality, I am pleased to say that I have finally won out over it."

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establishing that a phaser cannot be used on board the ship... Only to have a later plot element depend on firing a phaser on the ship.
"I bet you wish you stood in bed"
"It's gotta have a tailpipe."
"Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we are capable of doing a thing, it does not necessarily follow that thatching must be done."


Those (and also Spock's illogic for why the killers must be on board) were the only ones I thought were bad. I liked the rest, especially the references to Nixon, Sherlock Holmes and Cinderella and also McCoy's other lines.


and of course...
totally misunderstanding Shakespeare's use of the term "The Undiscoved Country"


While it could have been better, it seems more like a creative, fresh use, reflecting that the fear of a changed future, death to aspects of elements of the past, could lead people to want to prevent it or assure a better future.

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Koenig's hairpiece was making me cringe. He was channeling Elvis in some scenes.

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Duty Now For The Future

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Koenig's hairpiece was making me cringe. He was channeling Elvis in some scenes.


LOL!!! That puts the line "only the size of my head" in a new context for me.

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re: "crew bunks and galley -- when it's well-established crew had cabins and food was computer-processed."

Why *wouldn't* a vessel that size have a galley? It was mentioned a time or two in TOS. What if the food replicators were to go off-line? What if someone *wanted* to cook something, the traditional way? What if some crewman's or visiting dignitary's personal belief system required them to only eat food processed in traditional ways? (Hey...it's Roddenberry's "Star Trek"...diversity...IDIC...openly embracing all points-of-view, etc.)***

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*** I believe that is the first time in my life I have ever actually *defended* Roddenberry's "perfect utopian future where everyone gets along and embraces everyone's beliefs" line of BS...lol.

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(Hey...it's Roddenberry's "Star Trek"...diversity...IDIC...openly embracing all points-of-view, etc.)***

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*** I believe that is the first time in my life I have ever actually *defended* Roddenberry's "perfect utopian future where everyone gets along and embraces everyone's beliefs" line of BS...lol.


Except, these days, if you want to have a bakery or a photography business etc, and not do your work for things you disagree with such as same-sex weddings. You're not allowed to have THAT point-of-view. Nor is anyone else supposed to embrace it. Sad.

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And then, apparently those whom with you disagree, seem to be of the opinion that they can get on Twitter, and round up their minions so that they can burn down your business...because that is their "right."

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Ah yes, the new "tolerance."

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As I've said many times: "You can have any opinion you want, as long as it's ours".

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Conderlla....King of the Monsters!



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