Why did the sun rise when he didn't sing?
How could the makers of this film not notice a big plot hole like that?
I think the sun just came up out of habit. Didn't it go back down afterwards? Either way, most of the movie was a dream so that confuses it :)
shareYeah, that is a mega one. Of course, this entire movie is a bit pointless, so OH WELL!
Sadly it was the first movie I ever owned. It's a love-hate relationship.
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this is a movie that doesn't have problems, the movie itself is the problem. it is trash, it made me uneasy as a boy and it makes me uneasy now..the one thing that i get out of this movie is that its a comment on how much rural amerikkka sucks. also, it has the worst use of/blue screening of all time.
shareshut up. You obviously dont know a great classic...who cares of the blue screen wasnt that great. it was made in 91 wat do u expect? This movie ROCKS.
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You think this film is a great classic? Don't you dare call yourself a movie fan. As for bluescreen effects, there are several pre-1991 films that feature vastly superior work done with blue/green/blackscreens. I suggest you get off your parents' computer, and get back to playing videogames.
"I've been living off toxic waste for years, and I'm fine! Just ask my other heads!"
if you knew the movies i liked maybe u could judge....i like a variety of different types of movies. So becuz of one movie u disagree with u freak out. hmm interesting.
oh and you obviously know nothing about me. I never called myself a movie fan....and i hate video games...oh and btw this is my computer kthanks...
Signatures are annoying.
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if you knew the movies i liked maybe u could judge....i like a variety of different types of movies.The fact that you herald this film as a "classic" - plus your juvenile attitude - seem to be supple evidence that you presumably aren't well-versed in movie connoisseurship. I really don't mean to say you have terrible taste in film - more like eclectic taste, if indeed you do like a few decent films. Personally, however, I find this movie to be a steaming pile of horse manure. I weep when I consider all of the celluloid that was wasted in its production.
So becuz of one movie u disagree with u freak out. hmm interesting.Did you even barely understand my message at all?
oh and you obviously know nothing about me. I never called myself a movie fan....and i hate video games...oh and btw this is my computer kthanks...http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sarcasm
To each their own. 'Rock-A-Doodle' was part of what could have been seen as tailing Don Bluth's high-point in his animation productions of the 1980's, as it was made in 1991 and 'All Dogs Go to Heaven' was in 1989, the original and only decent 'Land Before Time' in 1988, 'An American Tale' in 1984. 1992 brought about 'An American Tale: Fievel Goes West', which sadly brought about what has been seen as the end. 'Thumbelina' 'A Troll in Central Park' and 'The Pebble and the Penguin' were all bombs. Bluth Productions didn't see any stronger attention until 1997 when 'Anastasia' made it's premiere. In my humble opinion, it should have received more recognition than it did. 'Titan A.E.' did about the same, and nothing else has come about to date as far as I know. Disney hasn't been doing so hot either. 'Home On The Range'....need I say more? Almost a tad depressing that CGI is dominating the screens anymore, rather than the classic stylings of hand animation. On another note of the animation scenes, yes, the blue screen was below par in this film, and I think Edmond should have just stayed a kitten. I was seven when I saw this, and I guess the appeal of the movie is just in the taste of the viewer. I found it appealing because I was reading the Canturbury Tales at the time (nerdly child, no doubt) and a rockabilly stickler, so I was amused by the Chanticleer from my book being Elvis-fied. Some people may love it; for others vomit-inducing.
...this was my argument for not falling all over myself like the other girls to go see 'Titanic' when I was in 7th grade. The boat sank. It was a spoiler ending in itself.
An American Tale was '86, wasn't it? The Secret of N.I.M.H. (his first really mentionable film) was in '82. Anyway, this is probably his worst film, although the animation, like usual, was good.
The Bluth/Goldman efforts are sometimes splendid, but a majority ended up being either average or mediocre. Now, for a film like this to be vomit-inducing, it has to be disgustingly silly, but it also has to have no substance to it. Bambi was cutesy but at least it had a lot of soul.
"I've been living off toxic waste for years, and I'm fine! Just ask my other heads!"
dont mess with bambi.
shareHmm.. American Tale wasn't that late- I'm sure of it. Now this film is def. not a gem in the sense you're saying, but look at the hidden story in it. The live animal pie the Duke cooks that is still moving, the "mushroom sequence" which is obviously a drug-trip, and the horror effect. This was a very different film.
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you all very sad, its just a silly cartoon thats not supposed to have some profound meaning, who cares if theres a plothole just enjoy the movie or dont watch it no ones forcing you
shareBy 1991 blue screened composting was pretty much mastered. but then again, you just called Rock-a-Doodle "a great classic", so i'm really only posting this comment to egg you on. YOU WANNA GET ROWDY?!?! LE'S GET ROWDY!!
it sucks. here's three quick examples off the top of my head:
all the animals look like animals, except the chick--ey....who looks like a stripper.
the "bouncers"--purple tank top wearing, russian cossak dancing frogs. they sing a song about bouncing.
40 minutes of a single plot thread held together by how long the batteries in a flashlight will work.
"...a comment on how much rural amerikkka sucks..."
Since someone else brought this ancient thread back to life I don't feel so bad about noting what a vile, disgusting, ignorant comment this is.
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I think with the sun coming up only when he sang points out that the Animals truly believed that the sun was only going to come up if he sang. When the sun came up anyway without his singing it was a shock to everyone. Like some of the stories we are told when we are young such as if you listen closely to the sun setting over water you could hear it sizzle and as we know it doesn't really but some kids believe you can still hear it. Its not really a plot hole as much the plot itself. I do agree there are parts of the story that really doesn't work as well as we would hope.
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Disney....that cursed mouse is everywhere. Sort of like Starbucks, 'pimp-my-ride' attempts, cigarette butts and Hilary Duff.
Hmm....I am confused now. The Don Bluth profile has American Tail in 1986 and NIMH in 1982, but my old VHS boxes have 1980 and 1984. I have seen websites with both listed. I was born in 1985, so I can't say for sure to have held witness. My main focus then was when I would be fed again and wanting to be left alone for my 12th nap on any given day, none of this cuddly baby stuff.
The whole sunrise ideal seems farce. Everyone knows you put a quarter in the slot and the sun pops up, like the Whack-A-Mole game. Someone just happened to get to the dollar-change making machine before Chanticleer that morning. I blame Snipes, he was the most unnecessary character in that whole movie. Well, other than about the other 3/5 of the cast that were useless. It doesn't matter though; it serves the purpose of pleasing small children, and not exactly was it expected to be an Academy Award winner....then again, this was the early 90's, and the power of bouffant hair was still lingering from the 80's, thus causing mass brain damage.
Honestly, I think that most of you are totally missing the point on this 1991 movie. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that none of you are 7 years old or under. The story is basically this, the sun has a personality I guess, and the sun rose without Chanticleer one morning. Everyone on the farm figured that because the sun had rose without him then he must be a fake. In the beginning of the film, Patou the dog, says something to effect that the sun rose differently on the farm. And the movie was a dream on top of all that. Ther eis no plot hole, you just have to look at the movie from a child's point of view. In short, this movie did it's job. It entertained a number of young 1990's kids.
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I haven't read the original story, but David Keonig's book Mouse Under Glass says that Disney considered doing a version back in the '60's as a "psychological thriller about a rooster who thinks his crowing makes the sun rise" (i.e., it really doesn't.) So, my theory is that because they wanted to tack on a happy ending and a moral, they had Chanticleer's crow bring up the sun, "because if your friends believe in you, you can do just about anything," to paraphrase Patou the dog's voice-over commentary.
Here's another, littler plothole - When The Duke is recounting earlier events to the Owls before "We Hate the Sun", he says that Edmund turned on him with a flashlight, and then Patou attacked him, when it actually happened the other way around in the earlier scene.
I don't know if I should start a seperate thread for this, but it seems to me there are some holes in the movie like scenes were actually edited out. When Goldie first starts to seduce The King, she sings what seems like the intro to a song, ("deep, deep, the trouble you're in..." etc.) and then we suddenly cut to The King and Goldie, already in love and already singing "Kiss and Coo", with Patou's voice over telling us she's fallen in love for real. Shouldn't there have been something in between there? Later, Edmund says he's too little to climb over the wall to Pinky's movie studio, but a moment later, he's inside Goldie's dressing room (inside the studio.)
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There was a break in between Goldie's song and the King and Goldie singing "Kiss and Coo". Also, when Edmund said he was "too little to climb those walls", Peepers said that she wasn't, which meant that Edmund wasn't, which meant that they probably found a way to squeeze him in.
shareIt's been a while, somehow I remembered it going right into it. I remember her song being really short, like an intro to a song, and that they were already singing "Kiss and Coo" while Patou was narrating that Goldie had fallen for him.
Even if there wasn't actually any material cut from the film in those spots, I kind of felt that there should have been some sort of transition between Jealous Seductress-For-Hire Goldie and Swooning Lovebird Goldie, and also perhaps a quick shot or two showing Edmund getting in instead of just leaving us to presume. But no big deal :).
Also, on a side note, I just thought of the part where, when Goldie first appears, Patou's narration tells us that she's a lot nicer than she seems. I thought, "Don't tell us that now! Let us find out in the due course of the movie!"
this movie is freakin cool so it can have plot holes because kids dont even notice anyways. haha, and that owl guy was scary.
shareI noticed it when i was 4 lol and always wondered y
But yeah y do all of u nerds keep fighting over movies i mean u have no lives to argue over a kid movie...
I'm 19 years old and personally think this film rocked. I'm a film jaor and could care less about any of the plotholes or missing scenes. It was made to entertain me as a kid and did just that. The movie has already been Netflixed to me so I'll get to see soon if this really is the movie I loved as a kid. By the way, I once had a Rock-a-Doodle birthday party and it kicked ass!
shareI think Rock-A-Doodle marked the beginning of the end for the seemingly endless stream of great movies he had in the 80s. I think those in the 80s were better than any Disney movie and I'm a huge fan of the classic disney.
Anyway, I *liked* Rock-A-Doodle, but it wasn't as great as say, American Tail, All Dogs, Land Before Time....
I wasn't too big a fan of the movies in the 90s, since they seemed to be mostly sequels. I mean, The Land Before Time was perfect the way it was. Why spoil it by capitalizing with fourteen more? If you're not going to use the same voices, (with an exception of Charlie Brown cartoons), forget it. Judith Barsi is dead, and you can't have a Duckie without her voice. That's just wrong. heh.
Wait...was "We're Back: A Dinosaur's Story" a Don Bluth film? I kinda liked that one.
And also, I thought Anastasia showed promise for a booming comeback.
COME BACK, DON BLUTH! WE MISS YOUR FILMS!
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Yea I agree, I don't care much for the later don bluth films. All dogs go to heaven, an american tail, the secret of nimh, and the land before time are amazing. But I didn't much care for the later ones...thumbelina, a troll in central park.
I used to like We're Back, but I dont think its Don Bluth. I dont remember it...
But anyways, I just saw this movie for the first time since I was a kid. Its cute, not as great as the earlier ones, but still cute in its own way.
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I have always loved this movie. i was born the year it came out and just recently rewatched it after not having seen it for years. and i agree with the thought that it really wasnt about the plot at all, it was more about friendship and the songs. i hate to say it but i adored thumbelina, a troll in central park, and the pebble and the penguin as a kid and i still own them now. i guess im just a sucker for crappy plot, and great songs with cheesy lyrics. i personally didnt mind the fact that the greenscreen was awful considering i loved the song "sun do shine" :( i miss those low budget cheese ball disney wannabees!!!! lol
shareThe sun came up because that's what it does. And it didn't go down afterwards, Count Duke was playing his pipe organ that made all the rain clouds that caused the flood. The sun just comes up no matter what.
shareexactly the whole POIUNT was that the sun came up regardless...jeez
that being said i din t think this movie was all that great or bad...a 2 star out f four effort, though people seem to be more critical f mir range animation then the y do live action
NIMH and The Land Before Time are overrated. Rock-A-Doodle, on the other hand, is a great movie, because of Chanticleer and the Grand Duke. And the sweet pink caddy. Though i'll be the first to admit that most of the farm animals are stupid and infuriating.
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This movie brings back alotta childhood memories for me...good times, gooooood times.
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