I think I might know the answer already, but I wanted to ask what others thought.... When Tom reveals what happened to all of them to Susan, how does that magically fix Savannah and Tom's depression problems? I think its because it was supposed to be kept as a secret to the grave, and of course revealing it would make you feel better but the effect seemed too "instant", even for Hollywood..LOL....
Opinions?
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you're completely right. it was nothing like that in the book. the climax of the book was tom talkin about luke's death. thankyou barbara streisand for conveniently leaving that out. savannah didn't automatically heal in the book, it was just around that time that she was coming out of her psychotic interlude and starting to get back on track. since lowenstein had more knowledge about who savannah really was and her backround, she was ready to start helping her. i'm sorry but after what babs has done to my fave book ever i've lost respect for her.
wow your dumb, pegarsus. its a freakin movie. its already 2hours and 12 minutes long. thats a long movie and most audiences dont like watching really long movies; thats why Hollywood has time restraints on films b/c they wont sell if they are too long. Pat Conroy approved the script before Babs started shooting, so if the writer of the book is ok with the script then i think your doing a pretty good job.
wow, you're a bit rude filmbuff, aren't you? (and your grammar and spelling need some work, too)
It is possible to show passage of time in a film without making the film longer. The only film I can think of that has all the action happening in real time is Resevoir Dogs - all other films rely on good story telling to show time passing.
yay! i'm gonna direct a film and make it all about me and my nice legs! i'm barbara Streisand! if she wanted to make the film short then perhaps she should have cut the bullsh#t that didn't happen out of it.
*them walking on the street after eddy's party which neither tom or susan actually went to. *the whole "crying on the shoulder" thing (ugghhhhhhhhh) if i read the book again i could probably bring up more.
"It is possible to show passage of time in a film without making the film longer" Yeah, like the movie of The Da Vinci Code. Ron Howard can't do it but you guys, no doubt film experts, can do it with ease. What a pathetic laugh.
if the writer of the book approves the changes that had to be made to satisfy a movie audience and studio, then why should we accept it. It's done to books ALL THE TIME!
I think we all need to keep this objective too. Movie audiences are different from literary audiences. Each wants something different from the writer... I admire Barbra for thaking this challenge and for making such a well respected film. At the same time, I do believe that some things could've been in the movie that weren't. I think a montage or something would've been appropriate and it would've covered LOTS of ground in a very quick and timely manner.
All in all, I do believe the movie was well done... and if someone becomes a fan of the movie, I think they'll go read the book and get a whole new understanding of the characters and what not....
Conroy was originally hired to write the script but was eventually fired. He was rehired for the last three weeks of shooting. There were MAJOR disagreements. He has been pretty polite about it, probably not wanting to burn any bridges or tick off Streisand, but he has insinuated that he wasn't totally happy with the movie.
Even with Conroy's approval, the amount of focus that shifts away from the family and the past toward the character that Streisand should NOT have even played has to point towards her shifting focus as director and producer. It was probably this version or nothing for Conroy. Anyway, everyone should read the book, it is truly wonderful.
Maybe Streisand shouldn't have played this character, but it got it produced [Advantage no. 1], brought to the movie a whole group of folks who might not have seen it otherwise [Advantage no. 2], and the sales of the book probably soared after the release of the movie as well [Advantage no. 3].
that's the way movies get made.
I happened to like her character, I also loved Fiddler on the Roof, she does have knockout legs, and their seduction/lust scene is pretty steamy - so there.
For a writer, I have heard it said that having a movie made of your book is both a blessing and a curse. I haven't read this book, but I surely will. Conroy is great. I've read The Great Santini, and have Beach Music next on my bedside table.
I realize it's been a while since you posted this question, but it seems like an answer to your question got lost in the discussion about the screenplay vs. the book. It doesn't seem to me that the revelations that Tom made about their childhood "fixed" everything. Tom didn't seem as deeply wounded by those events as Savannah, what he was involved wasn't therapy nearly as much as it was simply providing background for Savannah's problems. She's by no means cured of her emotional problems at the end of the film, but she's passed the immediate crisis. As someone else pointed out, Lowenstein now has crucial information to help Savannah begin to heal. Tom certainly had his own problems with suppression and depression, and he gained some insights into his own problems by helping reveal Savannah's. It's been much too long since I read the book, but in the film, while Tom was wounded by the traumas he faced as a child, his adult life seems to have been mostly affected by his brother Luke's death. At one point, his wife tells him that he has shut off his feelings for two years, since his brother's death. He turned off his ability to love and replaced it with anger. It wasn't therapy with Lowenstein that helped Tom start to heal, it was the love he felt for her. When his love opened up, he realized he had to start to get his life back together. The time frame between his leaving New York and the final moments isn't clear, so it still could have taken some time for him to come to the peace he speaks of at the end. Or at least that's how I saw it.
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Good points, wildhart. I hadn't really thought about how loving her would really be what helped him to heal. I do think revealing the secret helped him a lot also, mainly because the mother insisted that it NEVER happened, but by actually TELLING someone it made it real. And therefore the incident could be talked about and gotten past.
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I think its the Freudian model of psychological cure based on the fact that most of the patients he worked with repressed their fears. For example, the girl that was hydro-phobic. Freud helped her uncover an incident where she saw a dog lick a water glass and was too embarrassed to mention it to the host. They were a tad bit uptight socially back in those days so the girl repressed the whole incident. Once she remembered it, she was cured. Freud provided a "talking" cure where talking would lead to revelation of repressed memories. Only problem is it can take years and years to get to the heart of the problem.
when you have a cool name like tom wingo anything is possible. espcially if you're like him & are jogging apparently 40% of the time. everything just moves faster!
And so we meet again, Fiatlux-1!! xD I just saw this on Netflix :) ANyway, to answer your question, in my opinion:
Realistically, it doesn't fix all their problems.
For Tom, it gets him to face it- to admit that it really happened. It puts him back in touch with his emotions and enable him to move into new ones like love and actual happiness.
For both Susan and Tom, talking about it could validate their emotions. (This really happened, and I'm actually feeling this way about it, and it wasn't our fault so we don't have to lie about it or hide from it, or lock it up.) That sort of thing.
They would probably have a few other things to work through in order to get their lives on track to where they want them to be, but that was a huge hurdle to pass, and a great start!