Highlander 2 tells that immortals come from the distant past of Earth (in Renegade version)... and Connor and Ramirez both knew each other back then, they both were punished and sent to future. Were they sent into 1500 century..? Then why is Connor lying everyone that he was born in 1500 century?? And why didn't he know who Ramirez was when they met in Highlander '86 film ???
Are Highlander 1 and 2 compared to each other ??
The whole concept of them being bannished from Zeist was that they were to be reborn at different points in time with no memory of their past life. This was all outlined in the original script but a lot of that was edited out before filming began and no cut has seen fit to restore that part. The 100-minute version of The Quickening that was released theatrically in the UK and other European countries is the closest to preserving it but still omits some of that set-up. It expanded some over the 90-minute US theatrical cut but there were still stuff in the UK theatrical cut that wasn't included in The Renegade Version nor the Special Edition release when those were put together.
You should read up on the film and the various versions of it at this site: http://www.figmentfly.com/published/highlander2article.html
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thanks, that helped alot
shareThe whole concept of them being bannished from Zeist was that they were to be reborn at different points in time with no memory of their past life.
Why should he say he had no idea? As far as he knows and is aware of he was born in Scotland 1518 as Connor MacLeod until that evening at the opera house in 2024 when the memory of Zeist appeared. The priests erased all memory of their past lives on Zeist from Ramirez and MacLeod. They were reborn on a different planet to live a new life and have new experiences/memories albeit with the addition of being immortal. Do you think those 18 years before the Kurgan ran his sword through Connor's intestines means absolutely nothing?
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Thats the way I always saw it. They where literally reborn on earth. Sometime people dont like the,"A wizard did it." explanation. But with this movie that's the answer quite literally.
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Because this was an inane, incomprehensible mess of a movie in which nothing made sense, either in its internal logic (and I use that term loosely) nor in connection to the first film. In fact, many people (including Christopher Lambert) don't even consider this godawful cringe-fest to be a valid part of the Highlander franchise, and the third film (which wasn't great either) wisely ignored it and just retconned the whole damn thing.
Hope that clears things up. ;)
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Oh, look. Someone's calling me names over the internet. What a big brave boy you are.
Back on topic: Highlander II and Highlander III give us two completely different stories about how Brenda died, and two completely different explanations for why MacLeod isn't the last immortal running around. And according to the second film, the ozone layer was depleted by 1994 and people were dying of radiation sickness, which the third one mysteriously failed to mention even though (as you so sagely pointed out) that's the very year it was set in. So I think it's safe to say that the third film was ignoring the plot of the second one.
You don't get it ! Connor was REBORN in 1518, it was explicitely said in the Highlander 2 flashback. It's a reincarnation. He was first born in the distant past, then he was reborn in Scotland, with no memory. It's only in the opera in Highlander 2 that he gets his memory back as he's the winner of the Prize.
shareHighlander 2 takes place in 2024. In the Zeist flashback, Connor and Ramirez were exiled to Earth 500 years earlier, meaning they were exiled from Zeist in 1524. That was 6 years after Connor's birth in 1518. The priests sent Connor back to 1518 (His rebirth) and the priests sent Ramirez back to 898 BC (His rebirth).
share898 BC - Ramirez reborn
1518 - Connor reborn
1524 - The rebellion on Zeist is crushed by General Katana. Connor and Ramirez are exiled to Earth and reborn in different periods of history.
1536 - Connor is wounded by The Kurgan and survives his first death and is banished from his village by his clan.
1541 - Connor meets Ramirez and begins his training. Ramirez is killed by The Kurgan.
1986 - Connor defeats The Kurgan and wins "The Prize" and moves with Brenda Wyatt to Scotland and are married.
1995 - Brenda dies from radiation from the sun and Connor supervises a team in the construction of The Shield to protect the planet from the sun's radiation.
1999 - The team succeeds in protecting the Earth and the O-Zone layer from the sun's radiation within the Shield.
2024 - MacLeod is now a frail old man. But becomes immortal again when General Katana sends two assassins Corda and Reno to kill him. McLeod is immortal again and regains his youthfulness and the Quickening allows Ramirez to be resurrected. Connor and Ramirez agree to help Louise Marcus destroy The Shield, as The Shield Corporation has become corrupt and won't deactivate The Shield, as the sun's radiation is now gone. Ramirez sacrifices his life. Connor defeats Katana whom has formed an alliance with the corporation, but is defeated by Connor and Connor uses the final Quickening to destroy The Shield. MacLeod and Louise return to Zeist.
The Zeist events don't happen 500 years in the past, but 500 years ago in Connor's own timeline, meaning for him it was 500 ago ! But indeed, it probably happened 12 000 years ago or so. If Ramirez won the Prize, the flashbacks would have said "Planet Zeist 2000 years ago".
shareI can see what they were trying to do with Highlander II. They were trying to tell a alternate story, a "What if". What if, Connor, Ramirez and the Immortals were extra terrestrials from another planet? Lambert really got along with Connery and really wanted to work with him again and wanted him back from the sequel, although Ramirez died in Highlander I. And they had to come up with a story, allowing Sean Connery to reprise his role as Ramirez. But, I think they should had stay true to the original story and the mythology of the original film. If Highlander II had been true to the original film and wasn't the alternate "Aliens from another world" story, they could had brought Connery back for flashbacks with Katana and Katana would had been an medieval tyrant, whom was overthrown by Ramirez and a band of rebels, before Ramirez met Connor and was killed by The Kurgan and Connor would be forced to return to New York to face Katana, when he resurfaces. Still, an alternate timeline, an alternate story is still interesting, if you agree with it or not.
shareIt wasn't an alternate story, they were trying to set up a backstory to where they all came from (even including the Kurgan, but that was ultimately dropped due to Clancy Brown's refusal to reprise the role).
When Ramirez and Connor were bannished from Zeist, the process meant that they were to be reborn at various points in time in Earth's history. This was fully explained in the original script but was left out during shooting (the Zeist priests had a good deal more dialogue) leaving some huge logical gaps behind for the audience to fill in the best they could.
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