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The worst time paradox/ time plot hole I have ever seen.

posted 17 years ago by agentdc7
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What were the writers thinking?

Let's see:

Future people come back and tell them of dire future.
They travel back to WWII and replace Godzillasaurs with 3 dorats and dump him in the ocean.
They go back through time back to 1991 and the prime minister says "So Godziller (that's how it sounds all the time on the crap dubbed version) is finally gone..." and everything still looks the same, except King Ghidorah flies into blow stuff up.
How the hell does everyone remember Godzilla when he was erased from time? And shouldn't all of history change, including the way the city looks? Seeing that they can rebuild the city of Tokyo in 2 years, who knows how developed that should have been if Godzill"er" never attacked?

Any then, suddenly Godzill"er" wakes up NOW, instead of earlier from nuclear waste (which a dumb cyborg w/ advanced technology from the future doesn't realize when he dumped him there) that happened to be sitting there. So the Japanese army decides to send a nuke sub on a suicide mission to wake him up, which he already was. But that is a dummy nitpick if anything.

Any other movie out there with a more messed up time paradox?

[–] Aylmer 17 years ago

The TERMINATOR is similarly screwed up... because how could a man be fathered by someone from the future who went back in time to ensure that his mother wasn't killed? It makes absolutely no sense if you think about it, because for the whole plot to be instigated in the first place would require time travel... and the time travel was an effect of events caused by the time travel!

TIMECOP is bad too. Like how does Van Damme still remember his bad past after he went back and changed it to make it good again? How would any police agency be able to know in retrospect when history has been changed and be able to go back and stop the change "in time"?

Time travel can get very messy, but I've never seen it messier than Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah. The only way to make it not so bad is to establish weird "rules" like BACK TO THE FUTURE did where a change in the past will only gradually take effect to the present.

[–] FinalSmash1689 17 years ago

Actually its not that hard to understand.

Go here to have the issue explained: http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2007/08/16/godzilla-vs-king-ghidora h-time-travel-and-the-origins-of-godzilla/

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[–] comairmht 16 years ago

what i want to know is if they left the dorats on lagos island and they got hit with the fallout from the nuclear tests, why does king ghidorah wait until 1992 to attack? Wouldnt it have attacked around the same time the orginal godzilla attacked japan in 1954? The only answer i think i might have is that they were more complex than the godzillasaur so it took longer to create king ghidorah and it took for godzillasaur to turn into Godzilla since they were engineered.

[–] ryushinku 16 years ago

1992 was when the Futurians were around to control him, I guess.
Until then King Ghidorah was 'programmed' (via the Dorats) to just hibernate or something.

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[–] Yendisnob 14 years ago

Okay here is my nerd explaintion on the whole time travel thing, when they go back in time they transport "A" godzilla. The idea of multiple gojirasourus has been around since the original. So I say they transported the one that appears in 1985. This means the One from 1954 still can exist and go on to destroy tokyo and so people can still know of his existance. this also helps with the fact the original is destroyed by the Oxegen destroyer,so godzilla vs destroyah can still happen too. King Ghidorah can happen too, just because he's created by the atomic bomb dosn't mean he will go and attack right away. I mean he was controlled by the white guys; so what's to say they he waited till 1992 where they were currently at in the time stream. And to add to the plausible plot line, godzilla 1985 can still exist to because in the movie they do state a russian nuclear submarine crashes in the bering sea in the 1970's so the first two movies can be cannon and biolante can still exsit. Gojirasurase can exist in the bering sea plausibly because he's always depicted as a water based creature so I say he just survived barley in this enviromet. King Ghidorah can just survive any enviroment because of genetic splicing nuff said. As for the whole "you can't be in the same time period thing" I'd just think they were just lying because him knowing about them would lead to to present people learning of the actual plans at hand. Okay i hope that satisfyes G-Fans every where.

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[–] pjchatman 13 years ago

Yeah yeah. thats the way to say it!

[–] toolsquatch 12 years ago

So...where the Hell did Godzilla A come from and what the Hell did Godzilla B do from 1970 until 1984 after absorbing radiation, just hang out on the ocean floor and NOT act like the destructive force of nature we all know and love? Also, wouldn't Godzilla B drown? We all know Godzilla is amphibious, but the original Godzillasaurus doesn't really look seaworthy and they'd both have to come up for air eventually wouldn't they? Also, why didn't the time travelers realize that nothing had been changed and why wasn't the fact that things hadn't been altered a huge shocking revelation made by anyone after realizing that everyone in Japan was still very much aware of who Godzilla was? Wilson and Grenchiko knowing who Godzilla was when they returned to 1991 (and them being there at all) should've been an immediate red flag and an indicator that something was clearly wrong, Wilson's "Godzilla is no more" speech wouldn't have made sense in timeline B.

That's what bothers me about that entire concept, so much unaccounted for, unexplored, unexplained and undeveloped in the script: the wiser decision would've been to just go with the idea that Godzilla really had been written out of existence and Emi and the people who traveled back to Lagos Island with her and M-11 would've desperately tried to get them to take that sub to Godzilla. Just imagine how much you could do with that idea, a group of time travelers knowing about this terrible destructive monster that never existed and trying to do everything in their power to bring it back.

Not only that, going back and unwriting Godzilla's existence completely destroys the cover story for the Futurians and they no longer have a purpose to come to Japan in the first place: now there's no Godzillasaurus to trick the Japanese into helping them get rid of (with the help of 3 people who had no purpose of being there asides from Miki's clairvoyance [which in itself is pointless considering how accurate their computers seem to be]).

Sure, you'd lose Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla by having the Heisei series follow the timeline B concept, but let's be honest: is that really such a bad thing?

[–] Duncan_Idaho02 11 years ago

The frustrating part is how, when the futurians come back to 1991, it is simply accepted that Godzilla was prevented from being created. Yet nobody says, "Uh, Godzilla has still been doing this thing people?" Obviously if Godzilla was still around they did not prevent anything from happening. simply absurd. If Godzilla were simply dormant nobody would know about him. so for them to know about him he would have been doing what he does best, terrorizing the Japanese mainland.

[–] Horror_Metal 10 years ago

This would have been a GREAT movie if not for all the time travel nonsense which gives me a headache. Unless it's Back to the Future or The Terminator (which both have similar time travel inconsistencies but are great films) I HATE time travel in movies. Why couldn't they have just been aliens who sent their monster after Tokyo with Godzilla defending it? I usually see this film regarded as one of the best in the Godzilla series but for me, the time travel just ruins it.

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[–] Cassandra_Speaker 10 years ago

I'll try to be easy about this, cause it's complex:

1) The Godzilla from the first movie was a different creature than the one from 1984 onwards. It was another Dinosaur that was exposed to H-Bombs radiation that mutated it. It was killed at the end of the first movie and that was it for the first Godzilla.

2) The Futurans were lying about the Lagos Island test creating the 1984 Godzilla. No one really knew where it came from, they just knew that test would be what they needed to create Ghidorah (which they could control).

3) They moved the Godzilla Dinosaur to that area of the Ocean, but what they didn't know was that in the 70s a sunken nuclear sub would be there. This radiation would transform the Godzilla Dinosaur into the 1984 Godzilla. In effect, by moving the Dinosaur there they CREATED the 1984 Godzilla. They didn't change history, they caused it.

So this is all a stable time loop. Their actions are what created the second Godzilla, whose origin was unknown until then. This is why they all still remembered him.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6IwVKuAoQ

[–] toolsquatch 8 years ago

But still, if they had successfully erased Godzilla's existence they wouldn't have known who he was upon returning: multiple Godzillas or not, the mission would've been deemed a failure upon return and discovery that there was more than one that existed. It's a painfully convoluted story that was written without fully-understanding the rules of time travel, which sucks because it's otherwise my favorite Heisei film.