You know when Rose gets changed for the Dogfight and comes down to Edward outside and he says "Jesus God"? Does he say that because he thinks she looks nice and he knows he has no chance of winning, or does he say it because he thinks she looks bad?
shareI agree with Rikki. He says this because it's akin to putting lipstick on a pig. She looks absolutely ridiculous.
sharei think it's because she look absurd! lol! but she still didn't look that bad that's why he wanted to put her lipstick all over her face lol, and probably the real reason he didn't want to go in or dance
shareOf course he's saying it because he thinks she looks hideous, I found that obvious.
sharehe's saying it because she's kept him waiting all that time, but she's only made herself look worse.. in my opinion lili taylor is actually pretty (ok - not a supermodel, but not a 'dog' by any stretch), but between the dress, the hair, and the make-up she would've been better off to just go upstairs and wash it all off (which she does by the time they go on the 2nd half of their date).. she's just an insecure girl who's probably only been on a couple dates in her entire life (if that), so she doesn't know herself well enough yet to know how to make the most of her looks, and she just catches him off-guard.
shareWhy did birdlace smudge the lipstick on rosie ?. was it because he thought she was attractive by that point,and wanted to make her look worse,or did he still think she was unattractive at that point and still wanted to make her look worse ?.I was confused by that .
At which point do you think birdlace started to like her?.I know it shows when he asks her if she wants to go somewhere else,and tries to stop her from dancing,and when she punches him and shouts at him when she finds out what has really happened,but do you think he liked her at any time before that ?.
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At what point do you think Birdlace starts to like Rose ?.Before they go to the Dogfight,it seems as if he finds her unattractive,i think he only started to like her when they actually got to the Dogfight ,as he looked really upset when she hit him and shouted at him when she found out why he had really took her there.
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One of my favorite parts in this movie is when Rose gives Eddie a good right hook at the bar, after she finds out she's part of a 'Dogfight'. Eddie's face after that blow is classic....River was wonderful ~ an AMAZING actor. It's sad to know we won't see any new work from him.....and yes "Jesus God" is his reaction to how utterly rediculous Rose looks when she finally makes it down to meet him...hilarious! I'm going home to watch it after work....
shareYou could see how emotionally hurt Eddie was after she hit him, and he sounded hurt when he said he was sorry for taking her there, and i felt really sorry for Rose during that scene too. It's a very moving part of the film.
shareWow-Noone has responded to this in ages!
I'm positive he said it because he thought she looked BAD. The lipstick was just a way to make her look worse. To be honest, I didn't think she was unattractive at all but Hollywood would have her 'ugly' by its standards.
I think he started to feel bad during the party/ Dogfight. He started getting irritable with himself, her and his friends. I think he realised he wasn't going to win and that it was pathetic in itself anyway.
The subtle, natural way Phoenix gave the response, was hilarious. Rose obviously hadn't been out in a while because she went way, over the top --- definitely avoiding the "less is more" philosophy. Clownish, aqua eyeshadow, coral lipstick, the big, teased hair with an egg-shaped pin on top, the fluffy, yellow dress...she looked like an Easter basket. Nancy Sevoca said they agreed that she should look like a dumpy, little duckling and they created that vibe, spot on. Rose didn't look ugly, necessarily, just hilarious. It took all of Eddie's self-control to not burst out laughing when he sees her dressed up, for the first time.
shareI think with that utterance, he was responding to how bizarre and clownish she'd made herself look; she kind of upped her dogfight factor while dressing and grooming, and he's reacting to that. Nevertheless, he can see that, even with all that, she's not an ugly girl, fundamentally. Though he certainly doesn't realize it then, I think she's already begun to get to him in a way, with her sweet innocence, idealism and excitement; he's already begun to see her a bit differently, and not just as an objectified "dog." But he still has his dogfight goal in mind, and wants to make a good showing, or even win, so he tries the lipstick on the face ploy, as kind of a last-ditch effort to make her look worse. Once she's wiped it off and fixed things with her powder, she's asking him, "Do I look alright?" As he answers yes, that she looks nice, you can see a moment where his face reflects the realization that he's not going to win. I think it's right after that, that he offers the idea that they not go to the party at all, but maybe go dancing somewhere else. Both actors are so wonderful in that scene, and the whole movie.
Multiplex: 100+ shows a day, NONE worth watching. John Sayles' latest: NO distribution. SAD.
He says it because she looks absolutely ridiculous, but as she gets closer, he realizes that he has no chance of winning with her.
How dare you speak to the prince of evil that way, you SLUT?